TDS-4 Wishlist ? and Feature Request

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  1. Defenestration

    Defenestration Registered Member

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    How come there is no TDS-4 wishlist thread sticky where we can post all our requests for the upcoming TDS-4 ?

    I have already posted up a few TDS feature requests to this forum, like the ability to run and update in Limited User Account. Another minor request is to start up minimized. Currently, with TDS-3, the main TDS window is opened and only minimized when all the startup scans have finished. I want it to start with no window at all (ie. just a tray icon), unless something suspicious is found. I'd also like the tray icon to indicate the start-up scans are being performed, and then change to the default tray icon when all the scans have finished.
     
  2. Pilli

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    There will be more than one version of TDS 4, the first will be the TDS-4 Guard. Simple set it and forget it.
    Other version(s) features have yet to be finally decided, so I will make this a sticky for now but Wayne may decide otherwise. :)

    Cheers. Pilli
     
  3. Defenestration

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    Thanks Pilli.

    Will this TDS-4 Guard be like BoClean then (ie. no on-demand scanner) ?
     
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    Similar I believe ;)
     
  5. timnicebutdim

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    I would like to see TDS-4 with the following,

    1) A security bar in the interface showing the level of security - depending on how full the bar was would give an indication of the security setting.
    Hovering the bar would also show text - ( low, medium, high, highest security level ).
    Clicking the bar would make a pop up appear - from there you should be able to click on default security - highest security ( for novices that want peace of mind ), custom security ( choosing how tds should scan ).
    The security level should also show when hovering the TDS-4 icon in the system tray.

    Also on the interface - next to the security bar should be a scan now ( nice and simple for novices ).

    2)
    When performing a scan any compressed files that may not be scanned properly due to rare compression ( packers ) programs being used should be listed at the end of the scan. Next to them should be a ( find this packer ) and it should search for a packer that uses that extention in google.
    Also should be instructions about the compressed files explaining that TDS-4 needs the packer to proprely scan the files and how to download the packer once found and how to add it to the TDS-4 scanner - plus a list of sites that list packers ( http://www.megasecurity.org/Packers.html for example ).
    These files should have a special alert icon in the interface that will remind people to rescan the files. If the new packers were found they would be given the all clear or again the info would tell them to search for the packers. Once all files have been given the all clear then the alert icon would dissepear from the TDS-4 interface.

    Everything in TDS-4 should be updatable automatically while online - so for example if new sites were found that contained packers... the urls could be added to the list of recommended sites to search.

    3) The help section should be written twice. Once for advanced users and once for novices. Novices should be walked through every aspect of TDS-4 but in simple english ( no jargon ) - so that even a complete fool could understand it.

    Doing this would bridge the market over to less security aware people. This is the main problem with TDS-3 - it isn't user friendly for novices. I am an expert in marketing and just having one icon or word that a novice can't easily understand or find the meaning to can scare them away from a product. Every icon in TDS-4 should have a quick option to right click and immediately explain what it is in the simplest terms possible.

    If TDS-4 gets this right then it will start to convert more novices and a whole new market will open up - viral marketing is the most effective marketing possible for any product. Loosing one novice because he couldn't operate the product properly or wasn't sure if he was operating it properly has a massive chain reaction. He will not tell his friends to use it... he won't write about how good it is and user friendly on his website or blog... and it goes on and on.

    On the other hand if he uses it and understands it easily he will tell his friends and write about how easy it was to use on his website, blog, forums, ect. In turn other people will use it because of this and they to will tell their friends and write about it in forums.

    Suddenly everyone knows about TDS-4 being proberly the best anti-trojan in the world rather than just advanced users or novices that have been hacked in the past and started to research into this.

    The other thing to bear in mind when making TDS-4 is the common most definite attribute to most computer users - they are lazy. Its a fact, most people are very lazy and quickly loose interest in a product that they need to learn...
    With so many programs and things to do they just want to be able to click a few buttons and have that program work for them with the least effort.

    Example: TDS-3 - you have to go into the help files to learn how to scan with it and also that you need to select all the settings for the highest possible scan, also exec protection has to be installed and TDS-3 has to be running to have it working in real time - but you have to go into forums to learn this or get your fingers burnt to discover this. That isn't good and is why TDS-4 needs a simple bar that you can easily click and just select "Highest security level"... and a quick scan computer button. It's basic user friendly things but it goes a long long way.

    This would also cut down on support issues - just have a look at the forums for examples - does tds3 provide real time protection?, does exec protection run when tds3 is closed?, what scanning options should i choose?, is tds3 ok for novices?... and the same questions are asked time and time again. It must be real annoying to support staff having to answer these questions again and again when you know a simple forum search would reveal the answers but here is the point - users are basically lazy... they don't want to search forums and scan threads looking for the answer.. its easier for them to make a new thread and then wait for the answer.

    Also i would like to see TDS-4 with a way to scan for files in the memory processes so that you don't have to manually go through them all to know which process to kill to delete certain trojans.
     
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  6. quexx88

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    How about a reduction in RAM usage? TDS-3 with ExecProt enabled makes my system almost unusable :doubt:
     
  7. ozbob

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    My addition to wishlist is a streamlining of the database download

    Currently it appears to be over 2 Meg of the same signatures with an additional 20 or so each time

    My Nortons AV must lookup 2 (or more ?) databases as its updates are only a couple of hundred K

    Just a thought, keep up good work guys
     
  8. Defenestration

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    Whoopsie Daisy, I think someone's opened a Pandora's box. What, me ?? Nahhh, I never touched it Guvnor! Ask me mum.... I'm a good boy! ;)
     
  9. I wish to see a trojan information database that users can access to find out more information about a specific trojan. I think that would be good.
     
  10. Pilli

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    @ quexx88
    TDS uses low system resources except when running a full scan. Execution Protection when installed does not run as a process but momentarilly hooks a starting process to ensure it is clean. I should look carefully for other conflicts.

    @ ozbob
    TDS4 will mostly use incremental definition updates, thus reducing DL size considerably.


    Pilli
     
  11. timnicebutdim

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    I would like to see this also, however it would take a lot longer to write out descriptions for what each trojan does and doing that may cut down on the amount of time spent finding new trojans. Id rather have a large trojan database than a smaller one which is more informative.

    A workaround would be to have a "search forums for posts about this trojan" button next to each trojan - clicking it would take you to a forums and search to see what other users have written about it. That way the devolepers can spend more time finding new trojans while offering some tools to discover what the trojan does.

    It's easy to make the code to do this - i have done something similar on a website i run that has a seperate database for web hosting companies that can also search my forums for extra information about the companies - it works fine, i can provide the code for this if diamonds thought it would be a nice little extra.
     
  12. Infinity

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    the trojan descriptions is not necessary as long as TDS-3/4 will catch and clean it properly.

    I combination of Processgaurd (block drivers and hooks) would be phantastic.

    the incremental updates would be nice.

    integration in PG would be nice
     
  13. Socio

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    I like the idea of a set it and forget version for the less experienced user crowd. My wish is that there would be perhaps a pro version that keeps at least most of the goodies TDS3 has in it now like, System Testing, System Analysis, plugins, whois, network, well ok all of it. ;)

    EDIT: I have one more wish a bit OT;

    Once the Diamondcs team is done with TDS4 I wish they would take their considerable expertise and make a Antispyware app as powerful as TDS3 so we can finally have a one app end all, no holds bar solution to spyware.
     
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  14. hollywoodpc

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    Once the Diamondcs team is done with TDS4 I wish they would take their considerable expertise and make a Antispyware app as powerful as TDS3 so we can finally have a one app end all, no holds bar solution to spyware.[/QUOTE]
    Please !!!!! OMG . We have been waiting for like , 35 years for TDS-4 . No where on the horizon STILL !! And you want an anti spy proggy from them ? OUCH . You will be dead before that happens . lol . In all fairness , I think that is a great idea . But , as you have seen , ideas becoming reality is rare . These guys are good but , so tedious that the idea of anti spyware is a lost dream .
     
  15. Pilli

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    Hi hollywoodpc, I would much prefer a program that does not require regular updates to prevent spyware - We can all dream :D Having said that TDS3 does cover a lot of spyware that has Trojanic behaviour.

    Pilli
     
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    Pilli ,
    Touche'
     
  17. dvk01

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    Is there any thought to a backup or quarantine set up with TDS4

    I am seeing a few too many people fixing FP's or riskware identifications and not being able to restore again

    The riskware is the one I am most concerned about as many legitimate program components are quite rightly detected but can be unwittingly removed

    Things like some of the company supplied remote access devices that TDS detects
     
  18. nonentity

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    HOw 'bout a simple drag & drop function as well as a "batch" capability? Above all, why not provide a *link* between/to/from your other products, e.g. process explorer/process guard/worm guard? That way, you'll be able to see to which port the trojan is connecting, etc. Simply put, why don't you just bundle them all...yeah, a security suite would be nice, no??
     
  19. morph1

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    ..and how about updates ? AS TDS-3 updates just get bigger, why not just download the NEW signatures rather than the whole lot ?

    P.S. TDS-4 is rapidly becoming "never gunna see it-ware"
    It's been promised for so long it's going to have to be something incredible to justify the lead-time :rolleyes:
     
  20. rodsoto

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    Do you mean like setting a restore point in XP before disinfectingo_O Yeh i like that idea....
     
  21. tony64

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    Well I'm not an expert and thus it's hard for me to post a wishlist. I've had a look on what you guys are saying.. Fine with me !!

    However, I'd like to say that DCS approach to market places is highly customer driven if I can judge from what follows (DCS moderator thread)

    QUOTE" And again, even though TDS-4 is a 100% rewrite - a completely brand new program - all registered members will receive a FREE upgrade - even if the only TDS purchase you've ever made from us was a purchase of TDS-1 in the mid 90s." UNQUOTE

    The soft is one of the most expensive I had ever bought but it's worth each euro I spent.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    Why not stop work on TDS-4 and provide incremental updates for TDS-3? It took 12 minutes to download today's file. If done daily, that works out to 1 hour/week (5 dailys per week, none on weekends), 50 hours/year (because two weeks are forced vacation without updates). Rough calculations are that we see about 100 added to a (current) base of 48,000, so that's 0.21% new and
    99.79% old (already downloaded). That would drop the load on the servers too, and possibly avoid the problems with mirrors having outdated versions and folks having to change their .cfg file to find a mirror with the newest version.

    This would provide at least some immediate relief while we wait for TDS-4 and at a guess, would only require 1.5% of the total elapsed time (4 years?) to see TDS-4. (assumption 3 weeks / 200 weeks = 1.5%)
     
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    12 minutes ? What kind of Edited unnecessary word. Pilli connection do you have . It should NEVER take that long ? And by the way . Differing versions of TDS - 4 ? Uh oh . Guess those of us that just paid , will not get the whole thing for free . Guess we will have to pick which one we want . I hope that is not the case
     
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    I beleive that licensed users will have a choice of whichever full version they choose.

    HTH Pilli
     
  25. polyglory

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    OOps, I reckon my comments will hangfire as well.

    We will see :rolleyes:
     
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