Symantec System Recovery 2013 SP2 Released!

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by savalnc, Feb 21, 2014.

  1. savalnc

    savalnc Registered Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2013
    Posts:
    52
  2. oliverjia

    oliverjia Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2005
    Posts:
    1,517
    Such a slow release for Windows8.1 and complete UEFI support. Big firms are always too slow to respond to new computer hardware features.
    The product itself is solid imo.
     
  3. oliverjia

    oliverjia Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2005
    Posts:
    1,517
    spoke too soon.

    Installed x64 version of SSR and tried to create a customized Boot ISO. The process completed - appeared to be successful. However, it left 2.4GB of temp files that could not be deleted even after the SSR program was uninstalled and rebooted. The name of the folder is SymSrdTemp.

    Right click the Windows folder in Wimcontent folder, apparently SSR added a user group "AllApplicationPackages". When tried to delete these temp files, it still asked for my user name's permission even though I've already take owership of the whole folder in the security tab in Windows properties.

    In other words, no way to delete these gabbage files. WTF??

    Despite this incident, I decided to fire up the boot USB to try a OS partition backup. The backup went really slow - would take 60min when use high-compression and 30min when use "recommended compression". Acronis only needed ~15min to finish the same backup job with high-compression.

    I don't like the lousy programming skills of the developers of this version of SSR, so I won't be using it anymore.

    It's a shame they transformed a once great software into such a POS.
     
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2014
  4. HAN

    HAN Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2005
    Posts:
    2,080
    Location:
    USA
    Just looked up the price for the desktop version of SSR. $85!! No thanks!
     
  5. savalnc

    savalnc Registered Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2013
    Posts:
    52
    Hi oliverjia,

    I just checked my system and apparently I have nothing in my Temp folders related to Symantec.

    I did not try backup using recovery disk, but I did a backup from within Windows and in my case it was actually a little bit faster than the last version.

    Thank you
     
  6. oliverjia

    oliverjia Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2005
    Posts:
    1,517
    Dear savalnc,

    I think the reason you don't have this Temp folder (yet) is because you have not gone through the steps to create a custom recover disk yet. Once you do, you'll have this folder that will never go away - it's not a fatal problem for one's computer, it's just that I have my OS on a SSD so every GB counts. I just don't want a program just take away 2GB of my SSD for nothing.

    Also backup from within Windows might be different from if you backup from recovery disk, in terms of speed and compression? I only use imaging apps from recovery media (i.e., cold backup and restore).

    I remember the good old Symantec Ghost 8.3. A single exe of a few MB can do all imaging jobs. The created boot ISO for SSR is ~560MB, way too big for a single imaging app recovery disk. Regular WinPE boot ISO for imaging apps are about 250MB in size, such as Macrium Reflect, O&O disk image, Paragon HM etc. So I'd say SSR recovery CD is also very bloated now.




     
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2014
  7. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2005
    Posts:
    8,638
    Location:
    NSW, Australia
    oliverjia,

    I can confirm your findings. I made a custom ISO and 1.5 GB of Symantec files were added to the Temp folder. A custom UFD was then created and another 1.5 GB of files were added to the Temp folder. These folders can't be deleted in Windows. I deleted them using TeraByte Explorer, which you have.

    Yes. Also, the IFD exe is less than 1 MB and will run from a DOS or TBOS boot disk.
     
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2014
  8. oliverjia

    oliverjia Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2005
    Posts:
    1,517
    Dear Brian,

    Thanks so much for your confirmation.

    Regarding these temp files that Symantec dumped into the temp folder, I've just used IFL to restore an image that I've made recently for my OS partition. I just wanted to get rid of every trace of Symantec from my computer - judging from SSR dev's programming skills, I would rather have a clean system to avoid any potential Symantec problems :)

    Thanks for the tip of using Terabyte Explorer.. Yes IFL saved my butt again this time.. all is well now..

    Regards,
    oliverjia

     
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2014
  9. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2005
    Posts:
    8,638
    Location:
    NSW, Australia
    Just a few words on deleting these folders with TeraByte Explorer.

    Run TeraByte Explorer from a TBOS boot disk or BIBM.
    Mount/Unmount a drive path identifier
    Select the OS partition
    Ctrl-O for options
    Space bar to select View hidden files and View system files
    Browse to the folder and select it
    Press the Delete key on your keyboard
    Choose Yes and wait a short while
    Done
     
  10. savalnc

    savalnc Registered Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2013
    Posts:
    52
    When doing restore on a UEFI system should I recover the efi and recovery partition alongside the c partition?

    Also, the product supports UEFI. Does it mean it will support secure boot?

    Thanks
     
  11. oliverjia

    oliverjia Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2005
    Posts:
    1,517
    Thank you Brian, your help is much appreciated.

    oliverjia

     
  12. oliverjia

    oliverjia Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2005
    Posts:
    1,517
    No normally you don't have to restore the EFI and recovery partition, C partition alone is enough.
    Yes SSR supports secure boot.


     
  13. savalnc

    savalnc Registered Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2013
    Posts:
    52
    Thanks.

    So I tried to recover my c drive and in the settings I selected the option "mark active" clicked next and it said its not supported so i restored successfully without selecting that option. Booted up the pc and the drive was not recognized!
     
  14. oliverjia

    oliverjia Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2005
    Posts:
    1,517
    Strange...
    If you are using UEFI/GPT and secure boot, then C drive is not the active drive, the EFI partition is. so don't select "mark active" when restore C drive.
    Anyway, thanks for your test of the restore process.
    At this point, SSR does appear to be turned into a POS. What a pity.

     
  15. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2005
    Posts:
    8,638
    Location:
    NSW, Australia
    Check your BIOS for the correct boot drive.
     
  16. oliverjia

    oliverjia Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2005
    Posts:
    1,517
    Make sure you restored to the correct destination partition, and use a partitioning program to check if your C:\ is set to active.. It should not be active if you have UEFI and secure boot.

     
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2014
  17. oliverjia

    oliverjia Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2005
    Posts:
    1,517
    Symantec System Recovery 2013 R2 Released.

    Tested this new built with a customized SRD boot USB. It does not require a separate SRD ISO to create a PE based boot ISO.

    It appears SSR2013R2 is vastly improved as compared to the SP2 version.

    Tested with Bakcup/restore on a Windows 8.1 x64 computer with NTFS file system. Working well. The speed is about 40% better than that of Terabyte IFL when using medium compression, and the final image sizes are about the same.

    Tested the Backup/restore on a Ubuntu 14.04 LTS computer with EXT4 file system. Appears working well after restore.

    So it looks like SSR2013R2 does support EXT4 file system.



    High speed, small backup size, and supports both Windows NTFS and Linux EXT4 file systems. The SSR2013R2 SRD boot USB also supports UEFI Secure boot.

    Great program!
     
  18. savalnc

    savalnc Registered Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2013
    Posts:
    52
    If only they add a format disk command instead of using CMD.
     
  19. Peter2150

    Peter2150 Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2003
    Posts:
    17,043
    Is there a link to the main program. I couldn't find it.
     
  20. timcan

    timcan Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2005
    Posts:
    213
    Location:
    USA
  21. Peter2150

    Peter2150 Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2003
    Posts:
    17,043
    Thanks Timcan.

    Boy they have priced this right up there with ShadowProtect. What makes it worth it. Any users?
     
  22. oliverjia

    oliverjia Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2005
    Posts:
    1,517
  23. Peter2150

    Peter2150 Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2003
    Posts:
    17,043
    Thanks guys, but what makes it worth the price compared to say Macrium
     
  24. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2005
    Posts:
    8,638
    Location:
    NSW, Australia
    It wouldn't install in two Win8.1 systems. The install closed about 5 seconds after starting. It installed in another Win8.1 system and a Win7 system. Then you have to download the relevant Windows ADK so you can create recovery media. I've lost interest already.
     
  25. oliverjia

    oliverjia Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2005
    Posts:
    1,517
    Sorry to hear that you did not have good experience with SSR. Not sure about why it wouldn't install, but for recovery media creation, it is not required to have Win ADK installed - you can still create a PE based recovery media, with only some non-essential features missing as compared to if you have Win ADK installed.
     
Loading...