Slow page loading?

Discussion in 'General Topics' started by Cochise, Oct 19, 2003.

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  1. Cochise

    Cochise A missed friend

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    Is it just me or are the pages very slow. Browsing from one Wilders page to another can take up to fourteen seconds! Yet at the bottom of the page it says 'Page created in .396 secs. or 1.499' or thereabouts.

    But in reality it is much slower.

    I'm not whining, just wondering if it's my OS.

    regards, Cochise. :cool:
     
  2. LowWaterMark

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    I was on during this time and did not see any trouble. It's been good for the last 6 hours while I've been on.

    I often see slowdowns like that where it is the network path from my ISP to the forums. It slows the request I make for a page, or the delivery of the page to me. But, be sure there are also times when things do slow down here, but those times are fairly rare now a days.

    Note that the "page creation" time on the bottom of every page is what the server sees from its perspective in "generating" the page. It may be off if any slowdown occurs on the actual network delivery of the page to you. (Well, and actually because of a whole bunch of other factors. :rolleyes: )
     
  3. Cochise

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    Hi LWM,

    Thanks for that, actually, to-day, the pages are loading at about the stated speed.

    I must have had a bit of a hang up somewhere.

    Hope you didn't mind the query.

    Cheers, Cochise. :cool: :oops:
     
  4. beetlejuice

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    :D Cochise, read topic "Wilders SLOW!!!!!!!!!" pages 5 and 6. I think that will explain it. :D
     
  5. LowWaterMark

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    Yes, the site used to have some serious slowdown issues very frequently back then. Since that time we've moved to better hardware and upgraded to a better (faster) version of the board software.

    There were times when the average page load was 15-20 seconds quite frequently. Now, it's rare to get pages that take more than a couple seconds. (Just look at some of the bad times in the thread referenced. :eek: )

    It's so much better now! :) :)

    However, this does not mean we don't want to hear about problems or slowdowns. Sometimes there will be server or network problems that will cause major performance impacts, and it's better to have people report them than not. Sometimes you'll find the slowdown is on your end (ISP, connection, whatever) but even then it's good to know where the problem is rather than just ignoring it.

    So, feel free to report these kinds of problems here.
     
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  7. LowWaterMark

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    Yes, I know - I wrote that part. :D

    But, in seriousness my reply above was actually for the sake of the times when there will be real slowdowns here. They can and do still occur from time to time. I wanted everyone to know that they should feel free to post about any that they experience so we can address them.
     
  8. john2g

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    It is real slow this morning. Around 4KB/sec for me on my ISDN line.
     
  9. root

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    Indeed. For the last two days, this site has been slow as molasses in January. Something is wrong.
    I have no problems on other websites.
     
  10. MickeyTheMan

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    Indeed, i've had to stop pages from loading in last 2 days as it was taking too much time. Only applies here at wilders
     
  11. LowWaterMark

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    Hmm, perhaps it was bad luck even talking about the forum speed. :rolleyes:

    Can you all explain the characteristics of what you are seeing? "Slow" comes in many forms. Is it not even starting to load a page for many seconds when you first hit a Wilders link? Does the page form right away, but takes a very long time to fill in? Is it just the images coming down that is slow? What does the page creation time at the bottom of each page look like? (eg. "Page created in 0.452 seconds.")

    More details may help us to identify the type of problem.
     
  12. StAnger

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    It takes 5 to 6 seconds after you click a link before the page actually starts to build. In Opera the page even goes blank for a while.
    After that it's pretty normal. Page creation between .4 and 1.6 seconds.
     
  13. dallen

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    I just wanted to add that I have a cable modem and I usually get lightning fast downloads, but right now I'm trying to read people's postings and it's taking longer than I think it should.
     
  14. Paul Wilders

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    We have restarted apache and mysql on the server now; hopefully this will solve the problem.

    Feed back from those suffering from the problem earlier on is much appreciated!

    regards.

    paul
     
  15. root

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    Sorry Paul. The board is soo slow it's unusable for me. :'(
     
  16. spy1

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    I've been noticing the problem myself here for the last week or so. Just assumed it was going to clear itself up, but it hasn't.


    Here, it gets the top of the page pretty quickly, and the first few replies, but after that, the loading icon just keeps spinning and spinning, and it takes a minute or more for the entire page (with all posts on that page) to load.

    Any kind of a check I can run from this end?

    From IDServe:

    Initiating server query ...
    Looking up IP address for domain: www.wilderssecurity.com
    The IP address for the domain is: 66.227.68.99
    Connecting to the server on standard HTTP port: 80
    [Connected] Requesting the server's default page.
    The server returned the following response headers:
    HTTP/1.1 200 OK
    Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:54:24 GMT
    Server: Apache/1.3.28 (Unix) mod_require_host/2.2 mod_gzip/1.3.26.1a mod_log_bytes/1.2 mod_bwlimited/1.0 PHP/4.3.2 FrontPage/5.0.2.2634 mod_ssl/2.8.15 OpenSSL/0.9.6b
    X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.2
    Set-Cookie: PHPSESSID=0053ff2e038fe93eb4c89776fd6729e0; path=/
    Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT
    Cache-Control: no-cache, must-revalidate
    Pragma: no-cache
    Last-Modified: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:54:25 GMT
    Connection: close
    Transfer-Encoding: chunked
    Content-Type: text/html
    Query complete.

    "Ping"/"Traceroute" w/PortExplorer:

    __________________________________________________________________[24-OCT-2003][09:57]
    Pinging 66.227.68.99 with 32 bytes of data

    Request Timed Out
    Request Timed Out
    Request Timed Out
    Request Timed Out

    Packets: Sent=4, Received=0, Lost=4 (100%% loss)
    Approximate Round Trip Times in Milliseconds:
    Minimum=0ms, Maximum=0ms, Average=0ms
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    __________________________________________________________________[24-OCT-2003][09:58]
    Tracing route to 66.227.68.99

    1 10ms ****** 1043ms [199.222.167.1] lwhe1-1.2wcm.comporium.net
    2 25ms ****** 956ms [165.166.175.1] ge0.1.rhcojm10.comporium.net
    3 178ms 27ms 19ms [165.166.47.9]
    4 78ms ****** 585ms [12.125.220.29]
    5 349ms ****** 1127ms [12.123.149.1] tbr1-p012701.attga.ip.att.net
    6 113ms ****** 1176ms [12.122.10.69] tbr2-cl1.wswdc.ip.att.net
    7 115ms ****** 1079ms [12.123.9.117] ggr2-p3120.wswdc.ip.att.net
    8 137ms ****** 970ms [209.244.219.141] so-2-0-0.edge1.Washington1.Level3.net
    9 236ms ****** 1046ms [209.244.11.13] so-5-0-0.gar2.Washington1.Level3.net
    10 133ms ****** 877ms [209.247.11.169] so-0-2-0.mp1.Houston1.Level3.net
    11 172ms ****** 884ms [209.247.11.182] gige9-0.hsipaccess1.Houston1.Level3.net
    12 165ms ****** 813ms [209.247.121.218] unknown.Level3.net
    13 117ms ****** 733ms [66.7.143.182] o0-2jp2.hou002bd02.yipes.com
    14 216ms ****** 728ms [66.7.143.158] o0-2bd2.hou003bd02.yipes.com
    15 187ms ****** 652ms [66.7.143.54] o5-3bd2.hou005ap01.yipes.com
    16 144ms ****** 1225ms [66.54.158.66]
    17 ****** ****** ****** Request Timed Out

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  17. Paul Wilders

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    It's a real puzzle indeed - no problems in any way over here. Here's a traceroute (starting Paris/France:

    Code:
    traceroute to 66.227.68.99 (66.227.68.99)
    
    
    1   evry-0-155Mbps.gw.frontier.fr           0 ms     0 ms     0 ms  (213.161.193.1)
    2   telehouse2-c0-1Gbps.gw.frontier.fr      0 ms    15 ms     0 ms  (213.161.200.33)
    3   128.ge3-0.er1b.cdg2.fr.mfnx.net         0 ms    16 ms     0 ms  (62.4.76.35)
    4   pos0-2.cr1.cdg2.fr.above.net            0 ms    16 ms     0 ms  (208.184.231.210)
    5   so-5-1-0.cr1.lhr3.uk.above.net          0 ms    16 ms    15 ms  (64.125.31.129)
    6   pos10-0.mpr1.lhr1.uk.above.net         15 ms    16 ms    16 ms  (208.184.231.173)
    7   pos2-3.core2.London1.Level3.net        16 ms    16 ms    15 ms  (212.187.131.89)
    8   ae0-53.mp1.London1.Level3.net           0 ms    16 ms    15 ms  (212.187.131.129)
    9   so-1-0-0.mp1.London2.Level3.net        15 ms    16 ms    16 ms  (212.187.128.49)
    10  so-1-0-0.bbr1.Washington1.level3.ne    78 ms    78 ms    94 ms  (212.187.128.138)
    11  so-0-1-0.mp2.Houston1.Level3.net      125 ms   109 ms   125 ms  (209.247.11.166)
    12  gige9-1.hsipaccess1.Houston1.Level3   125 ms   110 ms   125 ms  (209.247.11.190)
    13  unknown.Level3.net                    125 ms   109 ms   141 ms  (209.247.121.218)
    14  o0-2jp2.hou002bd02.yipes.com          125 ms   125 ms   125 ms  (66.7.143.182)
    15  o0-2bd2.hou003bd02.yipes.com          125 ms   125 ms   125 ms  (66.7.143.158)
    16  o5-3bd2.hou005ap01.yipes.com          141 ms   125 ms   125 ms  (66.7.143.54)
    17  66.54.158.66                          125 ms   141 ms   141 ms  (66.54.158.66)
    18  66.227.68.99                          125 ms   125 ms   125 ms  (66.227.68.99)
    Obviously some are encountering this problem - and fairly most aren't o_O

    We sure want to solve this problem - not as long there's no consistency, that's going to be a rather diffecult job...

    To all: please post, either if all is OK, or you are encountering the same problems please.

    regards.

    paul
     
  18. spy1

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    12:14:36 PM   NETBIOS   UDP   www.wilderssecurity.com   NETBIOS_NS   Block NetBIOS Traffic

    Odd. Why would OPP be blocking this? Pete
     
  19. Q Section

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    I say - dreadfully slow loading times. To get from a forum to the main index was just 2+minutes and timed out. Right now UTC London = 1750.

    This is an intermittent problem. this time index page loads almost right away. 1803.
     
  20. Cochise

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    Crikey! I wish I hadn't said anything now. LOL

    Looks like I've given you all (and the Site) the Kiss of Death.

    I'll get me coat! :D

    I don't suppose Cochise' signal fire as damaged anything do you?

    Regards, Cochise, :cool:
     
  21. the Tester

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    Hi.

    I'm having the same problems that Spy1 described.
    Last night I did the speed tweak for Firebird and that helped a little.

    The two days prior to that page loading was worse,extremely slow.
    Change of browser doesn't help.
    I have tried Opera 7.21 and Beonex in addition to Firebird 0.7.
    Pages are loading better today,but not as good as last week.
     
  22. FanJ

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    Hey Paul,

    I'm sorry:

    Slow for me too, although sometimes better and sometimes not......
     
  23. hayc59

    hayc59 Guest

    I am also experincing very slow
    page loading :'(
    Not happening when I go to other
    web sites ;)
     
  24. LowWaterMark

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    This is very strange...

    For two days I've had bad site performance here (on and off like everyone else), however, for the last couple hours it has been as good as it ever was, and yet you two are saying it is still bad.

    This is really hard to figure out. :doubt:
     
  25. bigc73542

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    These pages get used so much they are just tired and taking it easy. :D
     
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