Should Apple help the FBI or no?

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Should Apple help the FBI or no?

  1. Yes

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    33.3%
  2. No

    46 vote(s)
    66.7%
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  1. acr1965

    acr1965 Registered Member

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    Should Apple create the software requested by the FBI to enable access to the iPhone 5c in question?
     
  2. digmor crusher

    digmor crusher Registered Member

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    I find it hard to believe that the FBI can't crack an iPhone.
     
  3. Bob D

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    I wonder if their sentiments would be the same if the carnage occurred in their Cupertino HQ...
     
  4. Nebulus

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    Apple shouldn't help the FBI.
     
  5. Azure Phoenix

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    The FBI had the opportunity to contact Apple and get the information. But they decided to mess with the Iphone and then they lied about it.
    https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/20...s-apple-id-password-wasnt-a-screwup-says-fbi/
    https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/20...one-unlocking-case-us-seeks-dangerous-powers/

    It's understandable for Apple to have doubts whether the FBI and other government agencies will use the backdoor only for this case and not include other Iphone users.

    At this point, I don't think it would be a good idea for Apple to help the FBI, especially in the way the FBI wants it.
     
  6. emmjay

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    Yes, under very very very strict terms and conditions.
     
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    Absolutely not. The scope of the request is way beyond just unlocking one iphone. Apple has, in fact, helped the FBI as much as it reasonably could but asking Apple to weaken its entire product line will adversely affect way too many people.
     
  10. amarildojr

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    If by "help" you mean "create a universal backdoor", then: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/25197878.jpg#hell no 400x400
     
  11. Cutting_Edgetech

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    Yes, if they only want Apple to unlock the screen; no, if they want them to give remote access to Apple products.
     
  12. bellgamin

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    As we NOW define "bad" in America, one might say that our government should have access to any information needed to curtail & punish the acts of *bad* people. But what if, some day, "bad" is redefined as being anyone who disagrees with the Government, or who votes "the wrong way", or who belongs to the NRA, or who supports the ACLU, or who belongs to the "wrong" kind of church or... finish the list on your own.

    In some nations, their government will jail anyone who attempts to stand against them. Access to all personal data (ZERO privacy) is a key ingredient in such repression. Could it happen in America? Ever? Never? Or...?

    I voted No
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    P.S. I agree with post #2's comment. IMO the government should increase their hiring of techno-smart people & GREATLY reduce their hiring of lawyers, spin artists, and PR flunkies. (As to Apple's seemingly impenetrable security: There never was a horse that couldn't be rode. On the other hand: There never was a rider that couldn't be throwed. Lawyers can't bust broncos. Never bring a letter opener to a gun fight.)
     
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  13. CHEFKOCH

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    3. Option
    - Depending, if it's known that this phone was used by an hacker/terrorist then why not.
     
  14. J_L

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    There are no clear definitions for those terms in real life. Plus the government uses terrorism as an excuse to monitor everyone. Hackers aren't necessarily bad either.
     
  15. Peter2150

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    Terrorism is irrelevant to this case. There are something like 12 or so phones that they want to get into. None of the others have anything to do with terrorism. I can't say more is it would trip the political alert. All I can say is DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
     
  16. CHEFKOCH

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    Only 12.... :rolleyes:

    I guess that there aren't excuses, terrorism is present same like hackers. In fact hackers did more financial chaos than 'traditional' terrorism. I highly disagree in arguments that this isn't related in real life, in real life there a each second cyber terrorism attacks around the world. If you loose your job because of this you would see it different. This isn't about spying on all people, it's the question about when will/can someone uses this to get information that might help. I'm really thankful that phones and computers are hackable in some situations because if not a lot of bad guys possible never got busted. But I do agree that there is a major problem in this because it possible can be abused to get information from 'good' peoples like you and I.

    And I disagree that there aren't laws, in EU for example it's illegal to spy on each other - if they doing this or not is another story. In USA there are similar laws but no one care especially because it's difficult to hunt for bad guys without spying on others too. If you found an answer let us know, no one did ... just a lot of blah because no one give an solution how to handle all this...
     
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    Exactly. And don't be surprise, governments are using this "terrorist" false excuse so that they can get into our privacy.

    (I'm not sure this post is about politics, because it doesn't point to a specific party or ideology. If it's not allowed then I'm sorry, mods can edit or delete it as you wish).
     
  18. CHEFKOCH

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    As said, if no one can provide any way to hunt for terrorist without possible spy on normal persons then all of such is useless because from my point of view it's impossible. If the phone is known as not crackable then every terrorist would very fast switch to it and this is exactly what we don't want.

    The things is also if they possible use it to compromise you 'somehow' e.g. if you want to go in politics in the future (only one example). From what I know no one was compromised in such a way, so spying is not bad at all if we had a guarantee that they will not use such data or delete it after xyz days and everyone could check this. I bet if you you use your credit card online or in real world you reveal a lot of more data to government then using your phone (speaking about protection).

    My isp must delete all data after 2 weeks, I bet they doing this, but I can't check. So, the question is more if we can trust, and as recently leaks shown, we can't in general but that's why laws must kick-in to ensure it get's deleted - if not close such projects because then it's clear that it's only be used to spy on everyone.
     
  19. Rasheed187

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    Yes of course, I think Apple and the companies who support them are making a big deal about this, just to show consumers how much they care about privacy. So it's mostly show, but they totally missed the mark on this one. The FBI or any other agency should always need to get the help to be able to hack into computers. Let's face it, if you're not a criminal you will most likely never become a target, so this "bad for privacy" attitude is nonsense.
     
  20. Moose World

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    With-out question the answer is no!!! The government has a proven track record of if,
    you give a inch they will take a mile! And more of your rights away!:(
     
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    A phone should be able to be searched with a search warrant just as physical property can be searched. Dead mass-murdering terrorists don't have rights.
     
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    The FBI messed up, it's on them. We all know that as soon as something "bad" is created, it can be exploited and will be exploited. It's human nature and it's what could lead us all to our loss one day.
     
  23. Securon

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    Good Morning! I'm looking at it from a Moral and Ethics Perspective...Human's first...Disposable...Electronics...a Very Distant Minus Trillions. Time for Apple to place people first and place Revenue and Profits on the Back Burner. Sincerely...Securon
     
  24. zapjb

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    They already have. This is just obfuscation.
     
  25. xxJackxx

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    No. It sets a bad precedent and changes nothing that has happened. The only way it prevents anything is if they watch you before you do anything. And if people want that then fine, but call it what it is.
     
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