Is this fact? I mean you can confirm on version18.104.22.168 that SectorEditor + RobotDog for two in particular can't dislodge the driver that keeps this ISR active? Would the same apply to StealthMBR? KillDisk? Important questions i think but as Blue alludes to some of us are going to have to take these apps to task ourselves and offer the results. DEEP FREEZE is a favorite of mine and it would be expected they could seal off such penetration from types as this seeing as they are very powerful units of virtualization from my experiences so far. On a different note, one could i suppose short of trying Limited User to prevent kernel access employ another app like AE or even a HIPS as a substitute of sorts untill those issues can be announced as 100% resolved.