SDD defragging enabled in Windows 8 by default

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by stapp, Aug 16, 2012.

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  1. stapp

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  2. Gorkster

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    Thanks for posting this. They really should indicate within the defrag utility that 1) it recognizes the drive is SSD; and 2) it won't be performing a normal defrag since the drive is SSD. Don't you think? I mean, those who are purposefully using SSD drives are probably "power users" who have specifically spent a great deal of money on the technology and will be saavy enough that this could be alarming to them.
     
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    I totally agree with Gorkster. It's especially important for folks who are taking existing HDD configurations and moving them to an SSD.

    Under Windows 7, the only time Windows establishes an SSD identity is when a CLEAN INSTALL is done. For folks who are moving an HDD config over to an SSD, many items must be set in motion for Windows to operate properly with this migrated disk... caches must be turned off (the "boosts" used for HDD enhancement), "old style" defragging must be turned off, TRIM must be turned on, etc.

    If this remains the same under Windows 8 but with a totally different type of defragging mechanism, even more effort will be required to do the above migration.

    There needs to be a place where, not only is the storage element identified (what Windows thinks it is), the system configurator can declare the personality of the disk, then Windows will go do its "clean install" type of check to confirm the declared identity. If it can't be confirmed, the user should be informed.

    This whole configuration migration issue has evolved to become a major PITA for users... IMHO.
     
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    I agree Rollback. As the complexity grows, so do the potential issues for problems, that in years passed, were mainly unheard of.

    Good points you guys make. Thank you. :) Part of the reason after 16 years in tech based service, I have grown weary of all the "latest and greatest". To me, it generally spells trouble and sometimes it simply gets tiring. Others find it a challenge to be conquered...that is ok also. As technology races forward, so does the complexity, with both software and hardware, that often are not really ready for 'prime time', or in a case such as this with Win 8, a potential problem brewing that many will have no clue about. Maybe MS will get those patches ready once some folks begin losing performance on SSD drives, or worse. The bandaids with MS seem to never end LOL.

    Have a nice weekend guys. :)
     
  5. RejZoR

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    Not true. If you have SSD or HDD is established during computer performance index assessment. So all you have to do is to run the performance assessment tool again and wait for it to perform tests.

    Win7 also leaves defrag enabled (or at least looks like it does) but in fact it never does defragmentation on SSD drive.
     
  6. mike21

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    Hi, I have a SSD revodrive as my C: and win7 x64

    The new perfect disk defragmenter has an option to treat a system's disk as SSD, although it doesn't recognize my revodrive as a SSD, I have the option to set the drive as SSD and it will be treated as such from the perfect disk.

    Do you know if it is safe for my drive to have perfect disk continuously defrag my drive even as a SSD, or its better to manually handle it every few months?
     
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    Hi Mike! Perfect Disk claims to have some really special way to handle SSDs when it's defragging, I'm not a user so I don't know what it does.

    But, in fact, SSDs do not need to be defragged as they have no mechanical rotational latency to be optimized... which is what defraggers do. I do not let any defragger run on my SSDs... they are not needed as far as I know.

    The extra file system indexing (not rotational positioning) caused by a seriously fragmented file on an SSD is minuscule as compared to total access time for the file content... it need not be considered when operating SSDs.
     
  8. mike21

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    I will better leave it off then, thanks.
     
  9. Gorkster

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    I swear the default deragger on my Win7 machine used to completely leave my SSD off the list (or greyed out), but it shows up just as the other volumes do now. Nothing in the software indicates that the drive won't be defragged, but when my last auto defrag ran on 7/28 it only ran on the other attached drives, not the System and System Reserved partitions on the SSD...
     
  10. mike21

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    I am very satisfied with my revo drive apart from the fact that I can't use rollback rx. It is the only program that I wanted to use and I can't. I have set it at a raid0 x4 (4x40GB) and rollback won't even install. At a previous setup without raid0 rollback was working, however at the raid0 config the revo drive is much faster.

    I tried Rollback RX server edition and it worked, but its price is on the very high side (so much that it ain't worth it :doubt:) and the restore operation wasn't like the typical rollback's instead it was like a preboot (linux), like restoring an image instead of quickly rolling back the registry.

    This is a disadvantage in a work's PC as acronis image restore takes some time with the PC idle and I miss rollback's quickness (as well as FD-ISR)
     
  11. aladdin

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    I bought the Rollback Rx server edition for $10, and I am allowed to install it on all the nine computers I own. I bought it from the original developer and it is called Keriver 1-Clk Restore. You are right that it is a imaging system. Here is the link for it:

    http://www.keriver.com/

    It has a free and paid version. The paid version is for $20 and if you PM Mr. River on this forum, you might get a very hefty discount.

    Best regards,
     
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    Windows 7 does NOT! disable defragmenting schedule, this has to be done manually, Clean Install or not, i dont know where people get the I dea that it's disabled on SSD detection, because this is entirely false, Check under Windows services
     
  13. MarcP

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    I checked and Win7 disabled it. And that on two computers I upgraded to an SSD.
     
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    I'm not quite sure that the Windows 8 defrag service has to run for TRIM to work because it does not defrag that I can see as I have Win 8 RTM 32bit & 64bit in VM's on my SSD's all I do is disable the Maintenance feature!

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    Which flavour of W7 are you using? on Professional & Ultimate, I've opened the d-fragger, and it's always shows scheduled for Wed 3am which is Windows default, why I don't know whos on the computer at 3am anyway? Microsoft must think we dont sleep.
     
  16. MarcP

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    Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit. On both machines, the scheduled task was disabled.
     
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    Strange then, My SSD is a Corsair Force 3 120GB and defrag has never disabled itself o_O
     
  18. MarcP

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    I wish I could give you an intelligent reply on that one...
     
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    My defrag schedule wasn't disabled when I installed my SSD, but it was set to not defrag the SSD - only the other two drives in my system. This could have been only due to installing the Intel SSD Toolkit though, I dunno. As I noted above, though, the default defragger no longer indicates that it is going to skip the process on the SSD as it once did - but it does indeed skip it.
     
  21. MarcP

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    And it makes sense to keep that utility active for magnetic drives. I replaced everything with SSDs on my end so it explains why it is disabled completely.
     
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