Sandboxie Plus (Sbie fork)

Discussion in 'Sandboxie (SBIE Open Source) Plus & Classic' started by DavidXanatos, Apr 9, 2020.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Monica2000

    Monica2000 Registered Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2020
    Posts:
    63
    Location:
    Spain
    Of course, they can access , i am not a newbie using Sandboxie. As i said before, i was using those programs installed inside sandboxes and most of my games worked without a problem, easy anticheat games dont, of course. This issue started with that version of Sandboxie that "fixed" live/hotmail logins under a sandboxed browser. On W7 i can log in into Uplay normally.

    80% of my Steam games used to work too, but Windows 20H1 broke Steam installed inside a sandbox, because i couldn´t update my games. For that reason i installed W10 1903 version, and Steam is able to update my games again. Something about sandboxed programs handling or accessing files or folders is really broken on 20H1, for example, Firefox trying to save a file in a different location on the hard drive is slow as hell. On 1903 it's instantaneous.

    It´s a shame that Windows 7 + Sandboxie works a lot better than any W10 version.

    Excuse my poor english.
     
  2. Survivor

    Survivor Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2020
    Posts:
    133
    Location:
    Land of Oz
    Woohooo, excuse meeeee :eek: :cool: Just tried to help and make sure, no setting changed.
    Personal I stopped buying DRM games, after all the years they mess up the Installation of Windows and the final straw when they forced the mail activation, then denied my right on my owne bought DRM ware, due to me stupid, forgetting which of the mails I used for registration. Well, my bad too, but still frustrating. (Red Faction G) At that time Epic and UT99-UT3 was much better with that already, though today, I am not sure with them today with their DRM shop.
    Humble Bundle and GOG brought me back. And things like the witcher and other games proof it works without DRM, if they just care. You even read about people who buy games again on GOG, to get the already paid game again but DRM free. I did that too, got Red Faction G. o_O
    With Win7 and SBIE, I am all with you, Win 10 broke many things and you never know what it will break tomorrow.... That's the way it is. :mad:
     
  3. Brummelchen

    Brummelchen Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2009
    Posts:
    4,151
    Thank you for your understanding of my point of view. At least I have a fore view how it would be done the next time. To answer - I try - your question concerning the driver (sys file) - this is be done from the kmdutil and if I am not wrong it contain code from sandboxie itself - to unload the sys file/driver. I will sit and wait how David will improve the script. ;)
     
  4. Survivor

    Survivor Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2020
    Posts:
    133
    Location:
    Land of Oz
    Always a pleasure LOL I am all for user experience.
     
  5. henryg1

    henryg1 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2020
    Posts:
    222
    Location:
    uk
    Yes, as I said I uninstalled, rebooted and reinstalled each time - the only thing I retained each time was my settings (sandboxie.ini).

    Nothing would run in 5.43, not even explorer.exe, but my main browser is Firefox (latest). IIRC the exe loaded into the sandbox when 5.43 actually installed but then came the errors. And I tried installing as Administrator too. Win 10 x64 fulled updated.

    For the moment I'm happy that 5.42.1 works. And for the record I'm writing this on my Lenovo laptop and nothing works post 5.33.6, so it's not just one machine that has problems.
     
  6. GrDukeMalden

    GrDukeMalden Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2016
    Posts:
    392
    Location:
    VPN city
    I think sandboxie plus was better off with no digital signature at all. A revoked one makes even more antivirus programs go nuts without even looking at the file.
     
  7. DavidXanatos

    DavidXanatos Developer

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2006
    Posts:
    1,270
    Location:
    Viena
    Cayn you try this test build: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L3GjBGc-jnpo7VB4FSHBWC_Q-DgwjtXr/view?usp=sharing to see if it works for you.



    Well without a digital signature windows will not load the driver at all, unless in test mode, so no signature is not really an option.
     
  8. henryg1

    henryg1 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2020
    Posts:
    222
    Location:
    uk
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2020
  9. Survivor

    Survivor Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2020
    Posts:
    133
    Location:
    Land of Oz
    The 5.43.1 temp build David made to test, all works, just had
    @DavidXanatos Did you just give my personal testbuild away to anybodyo_O :'( I thought we had something special. LOL
    In the end I wonder if the not working routine was important after all. The problem is often the special undocumented routines seem to be the most important ones :isay:
     
  10. Cutting_Edgetech

    Cutting_Edgetech Registered Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2006
    Posts:
    5,654
    Location:
    USA
    Is there an estimate of when the next Sandboxie Plus stable release will be that includes all the newly added features?
     
  11. DavidXanatos

    DavidXanatos Developer

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2006
    Posts:
    1,270
    Location:
    Viena
    Ok please try this build: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oDoE0oY-2MPUPW3-RUKPCx6tByj661z4/view?usp=sharing
    if it works great than just one more test build to go...

    if it does not: close sandboxie ctrl and terminate the service, and replace the sbiedll.dll's with these: https://drive.google.com/file/d/17WO5T_iehUAoIZwIPzlZnsMp_CYoqX_s/view?usp=sharing

    Some background there were 3 changes to the hooking mechanism
    1. a simplified hooking approach that breaks some DLL's that are loaded with a delay was removed as it caused issues (DLL)
    2. the obsolete workaround was removed (driver)
    3. the hooking mechanism now nops out the area after the detour jump to resolve issues with hooking already hooked functions again (DLL + driver)

    The test build 5.43.2 has changes 1 and 2 if you replace the DLL's with the provided test once it undoes 1 i.e. the problematic hooking
    shortcut gets used again.

    I'm quite confident that the removal of the workaround for the obsolete Trusteer software is irrelevant.
    I suspect that one of the other changes caused an issue.
     
  12. DavidXanatos

    DavidXanatos Developer

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2006
    Posts:
    1,270
    Location:
    Viena
    you can use the previously provided test build with the official 0.4.0 plus binaries its compatible.
     
  13. RedDwarf

    RedDwarf Registered Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2020
    Posts:
    6
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    I have a question about Sandboxie Plus 0.4........How the hell do I run anything in a sandbox without having it forced? The right click menu which I usually use has no Sandboxie entry and neither does the send to.

    I have just installed this on a new Windows 7 x64 SP1 install and I have been using the original Sandboxie for something like 15 years having purchased a license for it.

    I tried this on my other windows install which has an earlier version of Sandboxie which I think might of been 5.33.1. That wanted to uninstall the original Sandboxie which I did not want because I did not know what the consequences might be. Maybe backing up the sandboxie.ini might of preserved all my sandboxes and layout but it seemed a bit of a risk that I was not willing to take. Therefore I installed 5.4.3 which did an upgrade which seemed to go okay or so I thought. After a reboot when I attempted to sandbox ANY program sandboxie threw an error report, sorry but I do not have access to that error report ATM because I am in the new windows install. I tried Thunderbird, Cyberfox, Edge, Opera and a few small portable applications and none would run!

    This must be simple because I cannot imagine that this would be omitted. Help would be appreciated.
     
  14. DavidXanatos

    DavidXanatos Developer

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2006
    Posts:
    1,270
    Location:
    Viena
    @RedDwarf
    first of all the next plus build wil have an option in the sandman settings to add a run sandboxed menuentry.
    untill then you can start programs from the sandman ui.
     
  15. RedDwarf

    RedDwarf Registered Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2020
    Posts:
    6
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Ah I see it now, right click on the sandbox and then it shows a run. :) The only problem is that anything I attempt to run crashes!

    Code:
                                                                                            
    10:28:06.366   Sbie Directory: C:\Program Files\Utilities\Security\Sandboxie-Plus                                            
    10:28:06.367   Loaded Config: C:\Windows\Sandboxie.ini                                                                      
    10:28:06.386   No sandboxes found; creating: DefaultBox                                                                      
    11:28:50.222   SBIE2224 Sandboxed program has crashed: SandboxieRpcSs.exe [DefaultBox] by process: 5944                      
    11:30:25.075   SBIE2224 Sandboxed program has crashed: SandboxieRpcSs.exe [DefaultBox] by process: 5296                      
    11:30:55.177   SBIE2224 Sandboxed program has crashed: SandboxieRpcSs.exe [DefaultBox] by process: 4152                      
    11:30:55.437   SBIE2203 Failed to communicate with Sandboxie Service:  RPCSS_SXS - Start.exe [C0000034] by process: 3308    
    11:30:55.472   SBIE2224 Sandboxed program has crashed: Start.exe [DefaultBox] by process: 3308                              
    11:30:55.505   SBIE2224 Sandboxed program has crashed: SandboxieRpcSs.exe [DefaultBox] by process: 3748                      
    11:31:25.519   SBIE2224 Sandboxed program has crashed: SandboxieRpcSs.exe [DefaultBox] by process: 5404                      
    11:31:25.771   SBIE2203 Failed to communicate with Sandboxie Service:  RPCSS_SXS - WerFault.exe [C0000034] by process: 1580   
    Why is the Sandboxie.ini in the \Windows\ folder rather than being in Roaming?
     
  16. DavidXanatos

    DavidXanatos Developer

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2006
    Posts:
    1,270
    Location:
    Viena
    try this two test builds

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L3GjBGc-jnpo7VB4FSHBWC_Q-DgwjtXr/view?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oDoE0oY-2MPUPW3-RUKPCx6tByj661z4/view?usp=sharing

    and tell me if boot of one of them or no is working for you.
     
  17. RedDwarf

    RedDwarf Registered Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2020
    Posts:
    6
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Erm ATM I have Sandboxie Plus 0.4 installed. I am not using 5.43. Do you want me to try 5.43 instead?
     
  18. DavidXanatos

    DavidXanatos Developer

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2006
    Posts:
    1,270
    Location:
    Viena
    the core components are teh same if it works with one it wil work with the other.
    if you say that you ant run anything in the 0.4.0 plus build you installed please try the test builds, for expediency i only provided it as legacy installer.
    you can install it and use the 0.4.0 in portable mode for the new ui features
     
  19. RedDwarf

    RedDwarf Registered Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2020
    Posts:
    6
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    I do now have both 5.43 and 0.4 installed in different folders. I looked at the 0.4 extraction but could not work out how to use it. Running the exe alone could not use the needed driver. I cannot remember what SB I had installed at the time, it might of been 5.33.1.

    Unfortunately both 5.43.1 and 5.43.2 both crash with the same error 2224 when running microsoft edge, Internet Explorer 11 and a portable application GPU Stats Viewer.
    With 5.43.2>
    "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe" This is on Windows 7 x64 SP1 and not any Win 10 appz.
    Code:
    SBIE2224 Sandboxed program has crashed: SandboxieRpcSs.exe [NewBox]
    SBIE2224 Sandboxed program has crashed: iexplore.exe [NewBox]
    
     
  20. Survivor

    Survivor Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2020
    Posts:
    133
    Location:
    Land of Oz

    David, 5.4.3.2 works as flawless as 5.4.3.1 and the one before.
    Dishonored Void Engine, all smooth, no issue.
    Unity games same old issue, wait 4 min to start or kill SBIERpcSs.
    Standard programs like Firefox also fine.

    So from my side I would say all looks good with 5.4.3.2 as is.
    If we will ever find the issue with the hanging issue for unity, well. Still the issue that the SBIERpcSs.exe gets no thread, which is resolved as described wait or kill.
    2020-09-09 21_23_59-Analyze wait chain.png

    @RedDwarf just due to your issue, I tried IE11 runs fine for me with that version. 5.4.3.2 straight. Win 10 2004 :mad: just saw now, you run it in Win 7?
     
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2020
  21. robert147

    robert147 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2020
    Posts:
    22
    Location:
    Netherlands
    @DavidXanatos I was reading the following article
    https://www.msz.it/a-cheap-code-sig...y-certum-asseco-an-honest-review-walkthrough/
    Certum is listed on the Microsoft website and you mentioned earlier that you checked the Certum website.
    They have indeed an Open Source program:
    https://www.certum.eu/en/cert_offer_en_open_source_cs/
    https://en.sklep.certum.pl/data-safety/code-signing-certificates/open-source-code-signing-1022.html

    Only it seems that the program was changed and that the certificate isn't EV.
    It's actually a pity that they support Open Source but don't provide a EV certificate to natural persons.
     
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2020
  22. RedDwarf

    RedDwarf Registered Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2020
    Posts:
    6
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    I have two Windows 7 x64 SP1 installs on this PC. The one I was posting from previously was the new version which I only installed a couple of days back. I have still not completed installing windows updates because I am very wary of windows updates because they typically break too much stuff in my experience. I want to do an image of that Windows so I do not want to mess it up. I am now back in the older windows install which has some issues with USB which frequently fails to be recognised when it restores from Standby. It can take a minute or two to find the USB hub >mouse and keyboard making my PC unusable until it manages to find it. That is an old problem I had after a system restore which messed everything up. That has my email setup so I do need that working which requires a working Sandboxie. Nothing after 5.33.1 has worked for me so far on two different windows installs!
     
  23. DavidXanatos

    DavidXanatos Developer

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2006
    Posts:
    1,270
    Location:
    Viena
    ok than please test the next build:
    5.43.3: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BIGdhd3dpnf3BtAFRSGT67aq2hJfemyP/view?usp=sharing
     
  24. henryg1

    henryg1 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2020
    Posts:
    222
    Location:
    uk
    5.43.2 working well on my desktop pc. Will try my Lenovo laptop with this version when I have time.
     
  25. DavidXanatos

    DavidXanatos Developer

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2006
    Posts:
    1,270
    Location:
    Viena
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.