SandboxIE (Paid) vs Defensewall

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  1. TVH

    TVH Registered Member

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    I know both are excellent sandboxing programs but which one do people prefer to use?
     
  2. MikeNAS

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    I like both and they are excellent. After all I'm using Sandboxie because I like it little bit more and it fit to my setup perfectly. Lifetime license is good plus.
     
  3. Antarctica

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    I also think that DefenseWall is easier to use on a daily bases. My wife could never understand Sanboxie.:D With DW, no problems.:)
     
  4. Blackcat

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    At the present time, Sandboxie.

    This is because DW sucks up CPU cycles on my machine, which eventually leads to a slowdown. It is related to the untrusted processes windows search cycle. Ilya is looking into it.
     
  5. the_sly_dog

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    Very happy using defensewall tried sandboxie but prefer defensewall now

    Ilya is very helpful in any problems i have ;)

    not saying sandboxie support is bd just never needed them so only can comment on what i have used
     
  6. Scoobs72

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    Same view here - the support from Ilya is very good. And my wife can also understand Defensewall.
     
  7. arran

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    I think Sandboxie is better because you have the option to delete all the crap in the sandbox after each browsing session. where as with defense wall it doesn't have a delete option like sandboxie so any Malware that has got in cauld be sitting on your pc for ages.

    Another reason why I think sandboxie is better is because it has another option. which is nothing inside the sandbox can access the internet except the programs you choose like your browser program. therefore if any spyware or malware comes into your Sandbox during your current browsing session it cannot access the internet and have any contact with any other remote servers.

    unfortunatly defense wall does not have these features.
     
  8. Huupi

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    I will say be sure that your system is malware free otherwise SBIE is useless in the way you have set it up. [ an example ;keyloggers on your system has their own ways to reach out]
    If the system is clean then your config. is rocksolid !!-------waiting for the next hole ! ask Rasheed.
     
  9. Ilya Rabinovich

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    It is not really true- inactive malware is harmless, I have a tons of it at my hard drive, but I'm not any infected with this malware staff.

    Other hand, if you are a professional user who clearly understands what is what- 'rollback' function is at your service.

    It's just a question of the near future. I just don't want to be hurry with such the functionality, I need to understand clearly how to keep it the same balance as the main protection itself- simple, clear and strong in defense. It is not so easy work...
     
  10. Antarctica

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    Take your time Ilya,no rush.Your program is already very good as it is, and more important bug free.
    Thanks for your fantastic support.:)
     
  11. arran

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    it is malware free, since reinstall I never surf the net unless browser is inside sandbox and sandbox contents is allways deleted after each browsing session.

    and also the sandbox is only there as a back up incase malware slips thru my filtering software setup.

    you see before I knew that Sandboxie even existed I was able to surf porn sites loaded with malware and not get infected and I still can.

    And even if malware and trojans etc was able to get passed my filtering setup and get passed Sandboxie which is Highly unlikley my hips software and or antivirus would just nail it.
     
  12. EASTER

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    Would it be considered redundant or even problematic to run BOTH SandboxIE + DefenseWall together?, or can the two actually be of some real benefit for users that choose such as this choice of defense approach.
     
  13. Scoobs72

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    Surely the fact that Sandboxie deletes everything is quite limiting? You lose all your cookies for example? Also, what if you want to securely delete the browser content? With Sandboxie, is it unrecoverable from your hard disk?
     
  14. LoneWolf

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    Read all about it here.
    http://www.sandboxie.com/
     
  15. Huupi

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    i think you can get it back,some users have an app. called ERASER for this,i myself have no experience with it.
     
  16. arran

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    so you have tons of inactive malware sitting on your pc. If I had tons on my pc as well even tho it is inactive it would make me feel uneasy and nervous.

    besides it is just wasted space it would be a messy untidy pc with all the extra files and folders, searching for files on your pc would just take longer and your registry would be all cluttered up with all these extra keys relating to all the malware.


    I don't find it limiting at all its quite simple to recover any files I download before I delete the contents. loosing cookies doesn't really bother me because it only takes few seconds to load a web page for the first time with having no cookies for it. and as for deleting why would it need to be unrecoverable?
     
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    I've taken a look and searched the forum about erasing and cookies. Looks fiddly to me. Not my sort of thing, but I guess if you like playing around with those sort of apps you can get it to work.
     
  18. Wake2

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    I think both programs are great, when Sandboxie was
    first introduced wife and I both started using it, and as
    this program evolved it became increasingly complex
    and my wife does not understand how it works so she
    prefers Defensewall, we have licenses for both, and I
    think big issue here is user preference, and taking time
    to learn, and understand these programs.

    Wake
     
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    Why do u expect to have tons and Gigs of malware on ur system. I am sure u might not get more than a few KB or MB of that in routine use.
     
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    I think they are both great programs both have pros and cons so what ever one you feel fits your bill :thumb: :thumb:
     
  21. MikeNAS

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    Here you are (example):

    "c:\Program Files\Eraser\eraserl.exe" -folder "%SANDBOX%" -subfolders -method DoD -results -queue

    eraserl [Data] [Method] [-silent | -results | -resultsonerror ] [-queue] [-options]

    Data:

    -file....................data [-subfolders]
    -folder................data [-subfolders] [-keepfolder]
    -disk..................drive: | all
    -recycled

    Method:

    -method.............Gutmann | DoD | DoD_E | Random passes | Library

    Parameters:

    -file...................The data to erase is a file (wildcards may be used)
    -subfolders.........Include subfolders
    -folder...............The data to erase is files on a folder
    -subfolders.........Include subfolders
    -keepfolder........Do not delete the folder
    -disk.................The data to erase in unused space on a drive or all local hard drives (all)
    -recycled...........Erase all data on the Recycle Bin
    -silent...............Do not show any windows
    -results.............Show Erasing Report
    -resultsonerror..Show Erasing Report only in case of error
    -queue..............Wait until previous instances have finished
    -options.............Ignore all other valid parameters and show Erasing Preferences window
     
  22. EASTER

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    Mine is a little different

    For starters at top menu just under CONFIGURE-EDIT CONFIGURATION ... open in notepad and just under these listings
    LingerProcess=devldr32.exe
    LingerProcess=acrord32.exe
    LingerProcess=jusched.exe
    LingerProcess=syncor.exe
    ClosedFilePath=!iexplore.exe,\Device\Afd*
    ClosedFilePath=!iexplore.exe,\Device\RawIp
    ClosedFilePath=!iexplore.exe,\Device\Udp
    ClosedFilePath=!iexplore.exe,\Device\Tcp
    ClosedFilePath=D:\
    ClosedFilePath=E:\


    In blue is users choice but will block access if needed:

    Replace !iexplore.exe to your own choice if using another browser of course.

    For Secure Erase i found this setting also works for ERASER 5.82/5.86

    At top menu-SANDBOX-DEFAULT BOX-SANDBOX SETTINGS-DELETE-command and add eraserl -folder "%SANDBOX%" -subfolders -method DoD -results

    This should be close if not spot-on to working settings, if not feel free to dispute my selections and offer corrections please.

    EASTER
     
  23. MikeNAS

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    Yeah that works too because eraserl.exe is in system folder. You haven't blocked any registry access? I have also deleted those linger process rules because they can't run because I have also this "killer" rule:

    ClosedIpcPath=!opera.exe,* <- Only Opera can run.
     
  24. Huupi

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    Tzuk recommend to stay away of it,instead to use the GUI,yes it can all be done from the GUI.
    I did so to configure it to my satisfaction.
     
  25. EASTER

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    Registry access?Mind pointing those out for me please?

    Thansk
     
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