Rollback Rx V.10

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  1. atomicock

    atomicock Registered Member

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    Can I trust Really in Rollback Rx V.10.. (leak data).?
    is Backup all files Byte by Byte ?

    Thnx
     
  2. bgoodman4

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    RollBack Rx is not a backup program, its a rollback program. It records in a small hidden file where all the data on the drive is located and keeps track of any changes (by recording the datas hooks). For example, if you take a snapshot using Rx and then delete a program, Rx will protect the location of the program and its related files on the drive from being overwritten. This way, if you want to revert/rollback (or forward) the PC can be restored to the state it was in at the time of the snapshot. This process is very fast and Rx requires very little drive space to do its thing. Because of this your question about backing up byte by byte has no relevance. As to data leak again I don't think the question has any relevance (but since I am not sure what you mean by this I could be wrong).
     
  3. NormanF

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    As the other poster said, its a snapshot restore software. Basically, it takes an image of your operating system at a particular point in time and saves it to a special place on your computer's MBR.

    When something goes wrong, on startup and before Windows boots, you press the "home" key on your keyboard which brings up the snapshot list. Then you select one that is a good working configuration and Windows will load up the good snapshot. You might lose data that you didn't previously back up but at least Windows works.

    Since it works at boot, it can be used to restore Windows even when its not booting. That is its principal advantage over Windows System Restore. I do recommend it.
     
  4. Brian K

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    NormanF,

    Do you feel Rollback RX is sufficient for getting you out of trouble or do you use partition backup software in addition? Just curious.
     
  5. NormanF

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    For me, its sufficient. I've never had trouble reverting to a good known point in time. If your MBR gets screwed up though, a backup to an image restoration software is something to consider.
     
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    You seems like a very experienced and a long time user of Rollback Rx.

    Best regards,
     
  7. NormanF

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    I've used Rollback RX since Windows Vista. What I like about it is if I mess something up in Windows, I can go back to an earlier point in time when everything worked correctly. Its a good thing to have on my desktop PC.
     
  8. bgoodman4

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    I have been using Rx since version 7 and I would suggest that imaging is essential in addition to Rx. The simple reason for this is that your snapshots reside on the drive that Rx is protecting so if something happens to that piece of hardware Rx will not do you any good. In addition no piece of software is perfect and there are folks that have had Rx fail on them. This will leave a user in a very bad way if they did not have another means to recover their system.

    If you are interested in protecting a desktop that will be able to have access 24/7 to external media I would suggest that you consider a program like Shadow Protect. SP can do much of what Rx does albeit not quite as quickly but def more reliably given that its images are stored externally to the protected drive. On the other hand, if you are looking to protect a laptop then Rx is a good investment IMO but I would recommend that you make regular images of the laptops drive as well. You should also be aware of what not to do when you have Rx installed and unfortunately much of this info is not readily available on the publishers website. In my opinion Rxs biggest handicap is the publisher. It is an excellent and in my experience reliable program Its very easy to set-up and use and it has not failed me once in the years I have used it.

    I should mention that I am looking for a replacement for Rx, not because of any issues with the program but because I am not happy with the programs publisher. Until I find the replacement I will continue to use Rx with confidence.
     
  9. Brian K

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    Barry,

    I'm just interested in what others do. I can restore an OS image in less than 3 minutes so I have no interest in making life more complicated by using Rollback Rx. We'll never know, but I wonder how many Rollback Rx users don't image their OS partition.
     
  10. Umbra

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    I'm using RX and did an image sector by sector (including RX snapshots) via ATI boot CD.

    i test many softwares and malwares so RX is vital to me, it allow me to reload a clean snapshot at next boot.
     
  11. Brian K

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    Rollback Rx certainly needs special maintenance. Sorry, but I see it as an app where you expend hours to save minutes.
     
  12. NormanF

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    That isn't true for me. After a crash, one of my snapshots randomly rebooted. I went back in time and the issue was resolved. You can reinstall Windows or you can revert to a good condition snapshot.

    Windows reinstall can be a pain.
     
  13. Brian K

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    I agree. I haven't reinstalled Windows for ten years.
     
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    Which OS do you use?
     
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    ATI's backup took 1h; and until now RX never failed me (even after a crash, bad Windows update, infection, etc...)
     
  16. Brian K

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    CSKfan,

    I'm using Win8. I make sure my data is in a different partition from the OS so data doesn't get included in the OS image. A differential backup image of the OS takes two minutes and a mirroring backup of 400 GB of data takes 2 to 3 minutes. Both are done automatically in the background.
     
  17. bgoodman4

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    I would suspect a lot do not image,,,,,just as a lot of folks (the majority?) do not image at all and do not have any other safety net. I would say that having Rx on a PC and not imaging is much better than not having Rx on a PC and not imaging,,,, which I think is probably the default case.
     
  18. bgoodman4

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    Are you using Shadow Protect? I use it on my desktop but on my laptop its not possible to use the strategy you have outlined. At least it wasn't until now. I just purchased a new laptop and bought a 500 gig hard drive so I could have decent sized partitions for doing differentials etc as nec. There is still the problem of the backups being on the same drive as the OS and data but its a step in the right direction.

    As you no doubt know I really like Rx and do not find the "maintenance" an issue. It is a phenomenal program marred only by the attitude and behaviour of its publisher.
     
  19. Brian K

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    Barry, that is a good point.

    I have tested it in the past but I mainly use the TeraByte Apps (and Ghost on one computer). Are you planning to buy an external HD to hold the backups from your laptop? In addition to safety, (backups on a different drive) the backups will complete faster as data transfer from one drive to another is faster than data being copied to the same drive.
     
  20. bgoodman4

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    I currently image my laptop weekly (with Rx installed) and monthly without Rx installed (I do house cleaning 1x per month) and on a daily basis I upload critical data to a remote storage facility (iDrive). On the new PC I will also image to an external drive once a week and continue to upload via iDrive daily.

    Note my signature------
     
  21. atomicock

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    mmm anyway

    its trusted to test hard trojans \viruses ..etc or no
    is there any leak data ?

    thnx
     
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    Atomicock, I have removed many, many trojans and infections using Rollback RX and its ability to go back in time. You can safely assume that any infection that uses the Windows file system to enable itself will be removed using Rollback to go back in time.

    BUT... pls understand, Rollback uses the system's MBR (Master Boot Record), which is NOT part of the file system, to enable its capability. Therefore any infection or RootKit that uses the MBR to enable its nefarious capabilities will most likely disable Rollback's capabilities. There are known infections (most are TDL4-based, a recently created RootKit capability that seems to be getting worse with time) that compromise the MBR... these will not be handled correctly by Rollback. Remember, Rollback is NOT a backup tool and it is NOT an anti-virus tool... try not to expect too many things from such a tool.

    As far as data leaks are concerned, if the infection makes it to your computer, any data that has been compromised during the time its been allowed to be resident will be lost. Once it's removed, the leak will stop. That's the best most security tools can do... the infection must be detected before it becomes active and many infections are NOT DETECTED until after they become active. This is NOT a Rollback issue, it's an AntiVirus issue.
     
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  23. majoMo

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    It's always welcomed a knowledgeable info.

    With that, some repeated ideas are useless, although stubborn...

    Like when is posted the idea that a conditio sine qua non, to be a good light virtulization app. (or rollback software), is to be able to not allow MBR RootKits. It's seems to be not easily understood that light virtulization is not MBR virtualization... It's why people like to do (and to see...) MBR RootKits'tests with app. that wasn't done to guard MBR!

    It seems to be hard to understand that Operating System is not MBR!...
     
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