restore several images degrade ssd,which software can avoid this?

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  1. mantra

    mantra Registered Member

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    Hi

    restore several images does degrade ssd and even hard disk
    sometime ago i opened a thread about it here https://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=351233

    well there some program that add and implement some features to avoid ssd performance degrading

    for example terabyte image for windows they did implement this feature
    i sent an email to macrium support ,they confirm it and they told me via email
    and about the image for windows feature
    so are there image software outside image for windows , that have features to avoid ssd performance degradation


    thanks
     
  2. oliverjia

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    Very good question. I am not aware of any other imaging apps that has this feature to only write changed sectors, other than IFW.

    In theory, file-based backup/restore Apps, such as Imagex, DISM can do this. However I never tried this before.

    I always prefer sector based imaging since it can wipe out any potential virus infection/corrupted files etc.

    Personally I don't think restoring an image to refresh your PC every few months would be a problem for SSD, especially if your ssd is large enough, say >120 GB. check this article out:

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/2043634/how-to-stretch-the-life-of-your-ssd-storage.html

    "The lifespan of an SSD is measured in these program-erase (P/E) cycles. Modern, consumer-grade, Multi-Level Cell (MLC) NAND memory can generally endure about 3,000 to 5,000 P/E cycles before the storage's integrity starts to deteriorate. The higher-end, Single-Level Cell (SLC) flash memory chip can withstand up to 100,000 P/E cycles. "
     
  3. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

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    IFW, IFD and IFL have had "Restore Changed Sectors Only" since August last year. I use it for all restores to the SSD. Restore time is unchanged (the sectors have to be read) and depending on your changes, only about 1% of new data is written to the partition, instead of 100%.
     
  4. J_L

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    AX64 Time Machine's hot restores, as long as its monitoring isn't abruptly interrupted.
     
  5. Peter2150

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    I don't know about about SSD's but with HDD's I don't believe there is any issue.

    On one of my recently retired machines, I probably did over 700 images and restores, when I was beta testing ShadowProtect, no less all the other stuff I did on the machine, in the 6 years it was in use. All 3 drives in it were still going strong.

    Pete
     
  6. Robin A.

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    Obviously. If you dont´want it to degrade, don´t use it.
     
  7. TheRollbackFrog

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    Mantra... I believe your fears are a bit unfounded. Other than using Samsung 840 EVO SSDs, this ongoing investigation should put you pretty much at ease...

    SSD Endurance Experiment
     
  8. Acadia

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    When SSDs first came out this was indeed an issue. Now, several years later, quality and technology of SSDs has improved so much that I believe it just does not matter. Heck, my SSD has a guarantee of five years, my wife's mechanical drive only one year. My drive has a "toolbox" utility that gives me the life expectancy of my drive. After 1 1/2 years it is still 100%, all sectors still alive.

    Just make sure Trim is activated and see if your SSD has a toolbox of some sort, I did not discover mine until almost a year later.

    I don't restore as much as Peter (who does? :D ) so who knows, but I do an "average" amount of restoring and sincerely believe everything is just fine.

    My advice: get as large of a SSD as you can afford, make sure Trim is enabled, and get a modern drive from a known quality manufacturer with a five year warranty.

    Acadia
     
  9. Rainwalker

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    Good stuff...thanks Froggy.
     
  10. mantra

    mantra Registered Member

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    Hi Brian

    since which version ?

    but it's trusty?
    thanks
     
  11. Brian K

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    several hundred restores on my 4 year old SSD using active@ disk image and its all good

    no issues for me
     
  13. treehouse786

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    just checked the stats on my SSD's, i have 3 SSD's totalling around 30TB's of writes.

    the only SSD which is showing signs of failing (in SMART) is the one i have never imaged. the other 2 which i image and restore regularly have combined writes of 24TB... no issues whatsoever

    interpret as you wish
     
  14. MarcP

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    Just using a drive degrades it.

    I don't worry much about these stories of degradation. The purpose of imaging regularly is specifically to recover from a full failure. So let them degrade. You have the software to get a new one and recover.
     
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