I probably should've started with I didn't know that? but - most of us the end users of computers purchase or acquire them and then set about tweaking and adding protection software etc. without giving any thought about what we allready have at our disposal. Please don't take anything I say personnally as I to have not forgotten where I started in the 0101 world. Anyways there is a way to change that old default security template that most users (including me in the past) are using. they are on win2k and xp and are called security templates ranging from high security to default (which is what was shipped). their are other pre-defined templates available - most from microsoft that help us to raise the bar on security. in win2k & xp use help and type in security templates and you'll see what I'm talking about. with restore points in particular to xp createing a new one while learning and setting up a new higher security template makes going about this task pretty easy - mess it up just restore to earlier point. just wanted to get this post out as I think it will benefit someone along the way.