R-Wipe & Clean

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  1. true north

    true north Registered Member

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    Hi there,

    Give this app. a try; you will not be disappointed:
    http://www.r-wipe.com/
    Have fun.

    true north
     
  2. the Tester

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    Why would anyone want to pay $28.99(USD) for this program when there are free programs that do the same thing?
     
  3. Carver

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    I agree, there are many many freeware appys that have file wiping features such as CCleaner: clean cash; Revo Uninstaller; Undelete Plus and a dozen more, perhaps if it offers a service nobody else offers.

    The following is NOT a question. Concerning r-wipe. What the reason you offer a refund only for a defective CD-rom and only if it is still sealed in its factory wraper. Anybody that takes the time and can read............
     
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  4. caspian

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    I don't understand how you can compare Ccleaner to R-Wipe, but thanks for recommending Revo Uninstaller. It looks interesting. Does that mean I can renew my free trial periods of software, hehe! But anyway, here are some screenshots of R-Wipe. The first one shows the upper options on the side bar.

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2ewilas&s=2

    This one shows how you can check one specific option. Click on the image to see the full size.

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24w5738&s=2

    And this one shows some of the wiping options and preferences. Click on the image to enlarge, otherwise you can't see it.

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=27ymi53&s=2

    I use Ccleaner to quickly wipe off some cookies and clear temp files. But if I want to wipe everything, or just a file or application, then R-Wipe appears to be far superior as far as I can tell.
     
  5. Perman

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    Hi, folks" This app is a paid ware, not a freeware, you just can not compare orange with apple. Therefore CCleaner is out of my comparison although it is an excellent app. I would compare it from my own experiences with three other good paidwares: EasTec Eraser, Anti Tracks and Window Washer. My verdict is that R-Wipe & Clean warrants your close attention . I am using it exclusively to remove Internet tracts and to perform disk cleaning. And am a happy camper. Have a nice one.
     
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    Not Directly I didn't, you seem to have missed my point. I shall try to make it a little clearer, there is no need for payware (in this case 28.99 USD) when the same thing can be achived with freeware. But if you are happy with R-wipe thats fine, your happy thats what counts. BTW In CCleaner under options/settings there is a setting for a secure delete 1-7 passes and Options/include you can add a folder; file or registry entry but I think Heidi's Eraser makes a better choice as a tool for erasing and it is freeware too.
     
  7. EASTER

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    I'm there, in fact been there for years with it.

    With Heidi's (Garret's ;) ) super-wiper (Eraser) your afforded to INVENT your own personal passes and wipe forms. I like to see a PAID version do that.

    At any rate, whether it's wiping free space or simple SMEARING over individual files (like i do), rendering them not just useless but freeing up space where the Read/Write Heads won't go stumbling over them, Eraser in combination with RESTORATION (another FREEWARE), cleans things up nicely and actually improves performance! overall.

    Their BOTH an important part of my daily routine that keeps the Hard Drive disc free of clutter.

    Well, that's been my experience so far.
     
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    There are plenty of good freeware and shareware wiping apps out there
    that pretty much do the same thing, either alone or in combination
    with one another. A random wipe, or 35 of them, is still a random wipe
    if properly done. To argue about which one is superior seems pointless to me.
    I for one have paid for wiping software, and find freeware to be its
    equal or better in features. If your experience is different, so be it.
     
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    Thanks.

    A very interesting and informative read without a doubt. Looks to be much more recent than some in the past.

    I exercise XTREME wipes not to keep prying eyes from any secret discoveries but rather employ just enough SMEAR as i like to call it to clear previous data files on Windows/Hard Drive for sake of Performance!

    Each HD sanitizing engineer or developer have their own specific areas of expertise for whatever purpose, but i found thru actual experience that the more efficient a WIPE i can apply to redundant or otherwise finished session data, the much more responsive my overall system seems to enjoy, and it's satisfaction that the disc is prepped well enough for the next session and so on.
     
  11. caspian

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    Okay. I will try eraser again. It has been a long time and their options were limited. Ccleaner is limited too. It will evidently wipe the contents of a folder but not the foldr or reference to it, MFT records or swap files etc. But I guess there are other freewares that will take care of the rest. I do like it all in one easy program though, but I will do some more exploring. Thanks for the info.

    I noticed that eraser has a browser...NoTrax Anonymous Browser. I had never heard of it.
     
  12. ErikAlbert

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    I'm also a R(ich)-Wipe & Clean user and it's VERY configurable and userfriendly.
    It works with a tree-structure on the left side and shows the details on the right side.
    You can choose what to wipe or not to wipe. You can create your own tasks and your own wipe lists, etc. ...
    It even has the ridiculous and old-fashioned Peter Gutmann method to wipe your 750gb harddisk 35 times. I don't know how many days this will take. :rolleyes:

    I also have a zero tool from Western Digital to clean my harddisks before restoring images after a destructive malware attack, like KillDisk Virus, which makes classical Recovery CD's useless.
     
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  13. tradetime

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    I have used Heidi's Eraser for some time, and am quite happy with it, easy to set schedules if you want, configure your own custom erasing techniques. Useful little tool, also can create a DBAN floppy to erase your whole disk before rebuilds, and all for free.
     
  14. EASTER

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    Thats right tradetime

    I as a very normal routine use D-Ban on CD to WIPE any drive i'm going to be reinstalling to, then even go a step further and use ActiveKillDisk or the Hard Drive's manufacturer's zeroe tool to pass it again before Formatting NTFS with "NOT" windows but Paragon's Format Feature in my Drive BackUp Pro hard drive manager.

    After this, the XP Install disk breezes thru with ease. It's nice to see that yellow line of copying/installing literally rush across the screen where before it used to crawl like a bug and take too much time.
     
  15. ErikAlbert

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    According my tests, all these cleaners don't clean your system completely, because they are standard cleaners.
    Every software creates stuff on your computer, that you don't really need anymore when the job is done.
    My "Clean Off-line Archive" cleans more stuff on my computer, than R-Wipe&Clean and any other cleaner.

    In other words ISR-softwares are the best cleaners, they just don't wipe with the Gutmann method. ;)
     
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    Eraser helps to fudge once previous files to a point that the space they occupied are completely erased and makes for a quicker response from the hard drive's efforts.
     
  17. tradetime

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    Erm.....given the debate as to whether these various secure deletions can actually achieve what they attempt to do, I can assure you that an ISR software is little more effective in preventing forensic recovery than windows own delete function, it's only advantage would be that it will remove reference to a file that windows may neglect. Again I think we are into the realm of comparing strawberries and steak. Whilst the likes of Ccleaner is more orientated towards "cleaning up" and also it does happen to have some element of secure deletion. The real point in bothering with any form of secure deletion has to be to obliterate all evidence of the existance of target files beyond recovery, people really shouldn't be led down the garden path of thinking that ISR software in any way performs this function.
     
  18. ErikAlbert

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    Well I've done a test with a video-editing job, that I do daily.
    The final output-file after the job is stored on my data partition[D:], which is also another physical harddisk. This means that whatever happened on my harddisk[C:] after the job, needs to be cleaned, because I don't need it anymore.

    1. Before the video-editing job : harddisk[C:] = 8.73gb
    This is a clean harddisk[C:], because I just re-installed my computer and this was my first video-editing job and I didn't do anything else.

    2. After the job. : harddisk[C:] = 14.3gb
    So this job increased the volume with 5.57gb, that needs to be cleaned.

    3. After R-Wipe&Clean : harddisk[C:] = 10.4gb
    So I ran my registry cleaner first : 2 extra registries were created during that job, but I didn't remove them.
    Then I ran R-Wipe&Clean on FULL cleaning capacity. R-Wipe contains all so my video wipe-list, that removes the files and folders, that are known to me and that are created each time during the video-job. So everything I knew was cleaned.
    The 2 extra registries weren't removed, so I removed them with my registry cleaner.

    Nevertheless, I still had 1.67gb, that was not removed and I don't know where they are stored.

    4. After refreshing my off-line snapshot : harddisk[C:] = 8.73gb
    Because my off-line snapshot was still not clean, I did a copy/update from archive to snapshot and that finally cleaned the other 1.67gb.

    So ISR-softwares do alot better job than cleaning softwares and I don't even have to know where the junk objects are stored.

    Maybe I can improve R-Wipe&Clean, when I try to find out where those 1.67gb where stored, but why would I do this, when I already solved the problem with using a clean archive. :)
     
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  19. tradetime

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    The value of products such as fd-isr in "removing" things, cannot be in question as it returns a system to a state before the "things" were created, no file cleaning utility can ever beat that, since to beat it would require it to shrink you data by removing something that was there before your task, this obviously would not be desirable. However as this is a privacy forum, I can only conclude that the scope of discussion is in the area of deleting / removing beyond recovery, either normal or forensic. fd-isr would not be suitable for this purpose. It is debatable whether anything is truly up to the job.
     
  20. ErikAlbert

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    The privacy of R-Wipe&Clean is, that it overwrites every deleted file with :
    1. Zeroes or
    2. Pseudo-random or
    3. DoD 5220.22-M (3 times) or
    4. DoD 5200.28-STD (7 times) or
    5. Peter Gutmann (35 times)
    So that files can't be recovered anymore. That's all.

    To keep your harddisk really clean, you need something much stronger than all these cleaning tools, including registry cleaners.
    The reason is simple : none of these cleaning tools don't know anything about other softwares and what kind of objects (registry, folders, files, ...) they create during their job and which can be deleted & wiped or not.
    Because these softwares obvious don't clean themselves completely, they leave constantly junk objects on your harddisk and the question is "Where ?". If you don't know "where", you can't clean and wipe it either.
     
  21. tradetime

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    Can't really disagree with that Erik, though if you want to leave the privacy issue aside then I would say all you really need is virtualization, as long as you can export the finished product out of the virtual envoironment, then when you delete the virtual envoironment all else will be gone and you will simply have the finished creation that you saved.
     
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    Like Sandboxie.
     
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  23. ErikAlbert

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    Sandboxie is too small for me, that doesn't cover a complete harddisk.
     
  24. tradetime

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    Was thinking more of VMware.
    Returnil though will do the same, I have done vidoe editing in Retrunil session lock and exported the output file to my data partition, after reboot the output file is all that is left.
     
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    You shouldn't need to cover the whole harddisk simply to remove the debris of something like a video edit, just the system parttition will suffice.
     
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