Protecting Computer without a Software ??

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by Ranget, Aug 20, 2011.

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  1. Ranget

    Ranget Registered Member

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    Well Well

    I heard this Idea a Lot and i mean A LOT
    i Hear a lot of people saying that " people and Black hatters "
    i don't know why i found a lot of them these days
    i think it's the law of attraction
    anyway i found a New Black Hatters who claims to Protect his computer
    without any antivirus software :blink: not just this he claims that he can protect his computer without a firewall :blink:

    any way i heard a lot here and there about surviving without an anti :blink:
    any way i don't think that he is Better than meridok , EPx0f , sUBs ,cudni etc.. and other security Guys who encourage us to use those software
    but i wanted to share this Tale with you
    anyway he could be bluffing or it could be true

    so anyone can shed a light on this incident
    or maybe discuss the probability of surviving without an anti virus

    so what do you think o_O?
     
  2. crofttk

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    LOL. What a can of worms. Care to define "protect his computer" a little better?

    I can protect my computer with a baseball bat.

    Anyways, good for him!

    Perhaps security software would not be recommended so highly if we were all Black Hats.

    As I understand it, there are many choices other than just antivirus and firewall, and people here tout them all of the time.
     
  3. xxJackxx

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    You could browse with a virtual machine and if you downloaded any files you wanted to save you could transfer them to the host machine. At the end of your web session just roll back to a previously created snapshot and your odds of being infected would be much lower than they would be if you were to use your main machine with an antivirus. Just one possibility.
     
  4. Ranget

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    he said he manged Worm Trojans and viruses :rolleyes:

    mmmm i thought about the same thing add to this system hardening maybe he is good to go
    mmm But no Firewall :| even an Old automated Port scanner Will get in his computer
     
  5. SweX

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    I would like to know what a "Black Hatter" is? :D
     
  6. crofttk

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    Perhaps a character in the coming sequel to Alice in Wonderland?
     
  7. Ranget

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    IDK i just Found Him


    Well he is not the Only one i was just searching about this subject
    I found this Book

    Cara Mudah Proteksi komputer anda dari virus tanpa program Antivirus.doc

    How To Protect your computer from viruses without antivirus program

    On 4shared

    I don't know what is that book also i don't know how to read it
    but i think there are some clue in it
    i just scanned it on virustotal found clean

    anyway i will appreciate if anyone can try to translate it to English
     
  8. SweX

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    So you don't know either?
     
  9. Ranget

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    what a turn down

    here is Google translation

    i don't think that is enough at all if that hacker using the same method as mentiond in the above article
    then he is zombie :D

    any way i think there are other method that are More efficient that the article Above
    like the one jack mentiond
     
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    That would have been my guess. I hear Johnny Depp is currently negotiating to play the part.:D
     
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    is that so? I thought Charlie Sheen was chosen for it..:argh: :D
     
  13. xxJackxx

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    Any OS since XP has a built in firewall. Plus I would not connect ANY machine to the internet without a router. Plus if you don't have any services listening on open ports, there is nothing to get in to. Check it yourself with a port scanner. If anything is open close it.
     
  14. swami

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    You can manage without a software just being behind NAT if you know what you're installing and what not.
     
  15. Kernelwars

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    kees1958 and Sully is needed here :thumb: Where are you guys
     
  16. cm1971

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    Maybe he uses something like DefenseWall or Returnil.
     
  17. Kees1958

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    The OP's question/story can be both true and bogus at the same time. :D

    Security is more than antivirus and firewall. There are lots of other options, e.g.
    - Policy (rights) management, deny execute by default, virtualisation
    - Third party trust (signing, certificates) and reputational trust (trusted download sites and application markets)
    - Safe hex user practise and surfing/usage habits

    I used to go with my motor bike on amateur track days, sunday evening closed track competitions and never had an accident. I once was driving in a outskirt of a nice city with wide lanes and lush gardens. I wrecked my bike, because some one made an illegal U-turn. When I had been driving with the same concentration as on the circuit (which in itself poses more risk), I would have evaded the car-driver easily (he was looking for an address and thought he had missed it and turned without looking).

    So true or bogus, who is to tell? :p
     
  18. Hungry Man

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    It's not "protect without software" it's "protect without antivirus software"

    plenty of users on here run without AV's. I myself run without one.

    My firewall on my router is also enough for me and if I weren't paranoid I'd remove the software firewall on my laptop.
     
  19. cm1971

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    Yeah it's all in what you know. A computer can be well protected without an AV if you know what you are doing.
     
  20. Hungry Man

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    IMO a computer can be better protected WITHOUT an AV whether you know what you're doing or not.

    Take DefenseWall. That's a common-senseless application. It keeps applications separated and restricted and there's no blacklisting/ realtime antivirus. Light on resources and incredibly effective. And you can literally install malware to the computer (ie: something someone with no sense would do) and it would still protect you.
     
  21. cm1971

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    You still have to know what you are doing or at least keep up with this stuff. Most common joe's don't know DefenseWall exist. I agree that DefenseWall will keep you well protected. Some people run DefenseWall by itself and never get infected. :thumb:
     
  22. Hungry Man

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    I know. I'm just saying that there is the potential to have software that protects a user without common sense coming into play. If that software were built into the OS and distributed silently no one would really know/care but everyone would stay secure.
     
  23. cm1971

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    True...Imagine if DefenseWall were built into Windows. :D
     
  24. Ranget

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    sorry My english is rusty

    :D :D :D :D
    :mad:
    i'm not kidding


    i think he is using system hardening only like disabling services

    as for something like Returnal i don't think he uses that
    i asked him he don't :blink:
    any way i will keep digging deeper
     
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