Problem with VPN

Discussion in 'privacy problems' started by AlexCross, Apr 21, 2013.

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  1. AlexCross

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    I have this problem for few days.

    I want to get a subscription for a good VPN that comes with encryption and all kind of security stuff, i'm not realy good at these things, but first thing I did is to try some trial VPNs and then decide what to buy.

    I managed to find some giveaway and so on, and I tried 3 VPNs.

    Steganos online shield, security kiss, and hotspot shield.

    None of those worked with google, youtube, yahoo, when I typed google.com with VPN active, it redirected me to google.my country domain, not .country where my VPN was pointing to.

    But Steganos and security kiss works with sites that have region restriction, hotspot shield doesn't all the time.


    I deleted cookies, browser history.

    IF Google, Yahoo, and etc., can see behind my VPN, what stops other real online dangers, that bothers me.

    Yahoo has a little windows where you can see the weather, it's displayed the weather in my city, but if I click on it, it's redirecting me to weather site where it's updating with my VPN location. How did Yahoo determine my location in the first place in their window and redirects me to yahoo.my country domain, if on the weather site is shown my VPN location weather?

    Does one know how they can do this? Should I avoid buying the obove VPNs, or this happens with any VPN?


    I would buy Steganos or Security kiss, but I like more Steganos, is a good pick?


    Ps. I made some test for Steganos, it has some leaks. For example, to make Steganos hide completely my identity, not partialy, I have to switch the 5 locations that it has for 2-3 times until it gets it well, if not, it still hide my conection but not 100%, as I wrote above.

    Why does this happens?

    I'm new to VPNs, I want just to know that whatever I do on the internet is only my business.
    Any information about VPN is welcome, how safe is to use them and etc.,I'm willing to listen to any advice.
     
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  2. merisi

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    Hi and welcome to the forum. When it comes to VPNs, I've found three are often recommended: AirVPN, BolehVPN and Mullvad. If you're quite new to VPNs then I'd probably suggest you contact Boleh or Air about a trial and see how you find them befores signing up to anything long term.

    I'm unsure about the location problems that you're having or whether it's a misunderstanding of what a VPN does. When I use a VPN, google for example will be able to detect what country I am in and what I am searching if I use the google search engine but unless I'm logged into a google account they won't know who I am or what else I'm doing as my connection will be protected by my VPN. My ISP won't be able to see what I'm doing either and if you use one of the VPNs I mentioned, they don't keep logs.
     
  3. Taliscicero

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    Alex, how you managed to pick some or the worst VPN providers is astonishing. There are only three choices, BolehVPN (Support) AirVPN (Speed)Mullvad(Security). Each have bitcoin, each no logs. You should consider no others.
     
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    No, there are more than three choices. Just because these particular 3 services have waged a massive campaign on this forum doesn't mean they are the best - maybe the shrewdest and best guerrilla marketers, and I know they are perfectly fine providers; but to say someone should consider no others is hyperbole in the extreme. In fact, the comment is an insult to the intelligence of many who know better.

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  5. Taliscicero

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    I have spent the last 2 years buying 30 day subscriptions to many of the services available. Excluding the ones that have bad privacy policies. I can safely say BolehVPN,AirVPN,Mullvad are the best for the money and privacy they offer. I would add IVPN as well but until they release their new software which fixes their disconnection without icon flagging or reporting it won't be recommended by me.

    Let me lay it out for you.

    Steganos online shield. ~ Privacy Policy.
    Security kiss. ~ Privacy Policy.
    Hotspot shield. ~ Privacy policy.

    Each has issues with their privacy policy, and or location they are located.

    Don't question what I know.

    Whats better, telling the guy exactly which to choose giving him a choice of three, or telling him "trial them all and figure it out as there are so many good companies" like your saying. I believe in giving answers quickly, and not jerking a poor guy around.
     
  6. LockBox

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    Yeah, how DARE I question your all-encompassing statement that there's just 3 VPN services worth using. Just so you understand -- I'm not questioning what you "know"....I am questioning what you don't know.

    There are hundreds and hundreds of VPN services. To say those magic three are the end-all and be-all of VPN services is just, with all due respect, absurd.

    In your opinion. Nobody appointed you VPN Czar complete with the portfolio of "certifying" which services are "the only choices."

    To say you're just giving him those three so he doesn't have to trial a bunch of services is ridiculous. Why narrow it to three? Why not just quit "jerking the guy around" (your words) and just tell him the ONE service he should use? After all, no reason to have to "jerk" him around and give him a choice of three, poor guy. Surely you see the fallacy of your argument which is illogical at best and self-serving at worst. The latter because I think these various VPN services get a workout in these threads shuffling between IP addresses, changing usernames, multiple accounts with a VPN for each and leaving comments for others - as well as themselves. I suppose it should be no surprise that in a sub-forum full of threads about VPN's that they are being used.

    Yeah...let me lay it out for you: This constant shilling for these 3 services is getting really old (and way too obvious).

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  7. Taliscicero

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    Tldr;

    People want to know whats best, (BolehVPN)(AirVPN)(Mullvad). Its not marketing, its not bias. You can ask anyone here, these are the most trusted company's with the best privacy policy's. Their presence here is for users, not pure marketing. You would think a company that does not post on Wilders is better just because they don't post? That makes no sense. Sometimes people just want simple answers, and not over complicated BS that gives them no real info other then "there are many, try them all" not everyone wants to do that, and for them (BolehVPN)(AirVPN)(Mullvad) are the three most trusted companies that myself and many here use. I don't know what your problem is, but leave me out of it.
     
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    "Tldr;"...doesn't that mean, "Too damn long, didn't read?" If that was really too "long" for you, I worry about our future.


    Again, you say only three companies "are the best" and get angry when someone questions you on this. I can ask anybody here? Well, I'm here and have been for almost a decade on this forum. I've seen these companies come and go, you have no special insight. I don't have a problem to leave you out of - YOU are the one with the very sweeping generalization that actually made me laugh at your naivete. Don't throw those kinds of comments around if you can't accept being questioned. You're reminding me of Steve, but even he wasn't so sure of his position as you seem to be.
     
  9. AlexCross

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    Thanks to all of you for your help.

    I forgot to say something about me, i'm just a normal user, I don't have to many acquaintance about VPNs, or IT in generaly, so I won't understand any terminologies, since my English is at medium, but i'll check all of your sugestions, read their FAQ and forum to decide what suits me.

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    Thanks for pointing this out, as example I have read all of these 3 product sites, and I was gullible to think that they are gold (hotspot wasn't that good presented), since I didn't know too many about VPNs, after they have presented their product so well, it didn't come to my mind that they could have some privacy policy issues.
     
  10. Taliscicero

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    (5 VPN rules that are good to follow always)

    (1)No logs of any kind.
    (2)Company not located in the UK/USA (Legal Problems)
    (3)Company that will let you use anonymous payment options (even if you don't wish to use them)
    (4)Has servers close to you, but not in the country your connecting from (This means you get fast speeds but server raids or hacks mean you are safe and out of the legal jurisdiction of that server)
    (5) Has a good reputation online and on Wilders for obvious reasons (Mullvad/BolehVPN/AirVPN)

    On a side note to LockBox.

    You contributed nothing to this thread but attacking me, and coming up with a conspiracy about the three main VPN services people here use. Its not a conspiracy, they are brought up because they are the best products proven time and again by everyone here. I also TLDR; your post because its depressing, and not helpful in any way, I am gonna ignore any reply by you in this thread because you know what? Life is too short to worry about you.

    If you have any VPN that is better to recommend, go ahead. If not, why are you even in this thread.
     
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  11. tuprofe

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    Though I have seen Boleh people posting here a lot, I don't recall any posts by Mullvad or Air staff.

    No denying that many wilders members (some of the same "Vpn specialists", if you will) post about these three a ton.

    Also, in my gut I tend to agree that there must be more out there that fit the description of privacy-conscious, anonymity-protecting vpns. We do tend to hear a lot about the "big three".

    What I'd be curious to hear about are specific, documented examples where mullvad, air or boleh were asked by a gov't or other authority to hand over log information and they refused, or responded that they didn't possess any logs.

    As far as I know, we're all still just taking their word for it, regarding their dedication to privacy.

    full disclosure I've used Airvpn in the past and still use Mullvad currently, and I like the service.
     
  12. AlexCross

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    Let's say for any VPN service, without giving names not to starts confrontations, am I subjected to danger connecting to any servers through VPNs? If those servers are hacked or I don't know, any danger?

    Let's just say if they say that they don't keep logs, and they keep, can someone be blame for something that didn't do?

    For example, I installed as I said in the first post 3 VPNs for testing, for example I tested Steganos to see if sites with regional restrictions work, I don't know if Steganos keeps logs( I didn't know about logs before entering this forum), If their servers fail to hackers, can they do something with it if they saved my logs?
     
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  13. qwax

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    admittedly this is a long thread Why Should I Use a VPN, but it is a good starter if you want to know more about VPN.
    Also in this thread a description of my compromise between speed and privacy using 2 VPN servers
    Also this forum at AIRVPN How-To, Tutorial, Guides gives detailed info about avoiding leaks.

    @LockBox
    I have been using Mullvad of and on a number of years, and had mail conversations with them, they give honest answers.
    And no marketing on Wilders as you claim .
    Neither does AIRVPN ,again , a wrong statement.
    The reason these three vpn providers come up here often , is in my view ,the fact that there seems to be a " consensus " amongst many wilders contributors that they are serious about privacy.
     
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    I said they were perfectly fine services - all three of them. I only said they weren't the "only three choices" and that saying "You should consider no others," was simply absurd.

    As for the marketing, I didn't mean to imply that the companies themselves were coming here as company representatives, only that VPN services were being used in a thread about VPN services to obviously market these three services (if you get what I mean). DasFox Taliscicero and 'others' have been waging this campaign to where finally these laughable comments were made in this thread to the OP. I couldn't stand by any longer and listen to all the misinformation about "the only 3", etc. as they weren't even offered as opinions, but as some kind of certified fact(!) I was even told, "Don't question what I know." So much for discussion, huh?

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    @LockBox

    Which VPN services do you recommend?
     
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    I also wish to know this. He talks, and yet not a word he says relates to any actual useful information or recommendations of his own. I will make sure to thoroughly review his own recommendations in every aspect of the word. You question me and say I'm waging a campaign without reason for the acquisition, I will make sure to do the same friend.
     
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    @LockBox

    Please correct me if i am wrong ,but i think what you are saying in the following quotes , is that these VPN providers do their "guerrilla marketing" on Wilders posing as an legitimate ordinary user.
    This is quite a statement ,could you please elaborate on this and substantiate it ?

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  18. dogbite

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    I use since August 2012 vpn4all.
    I am quite happy, enough servers WW, good speed, no logs. I never go over 50GB/months which is their limit for the cheapest plan.

    The only downturn is that I think it is used also by some spammers, therefore some sites refuses to connect or ask me everytime for a Chaptcha to access them (but this happened only very recently.)
     
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    I wonder how the CHAVPN (see cryptophippie.com) or cryptovpn.com compare to the three services (Mullvad/BolehVPN/AirVPN) mostly recommended in this thread?

    Is it a matter of cost or features?

    Has anyone created a comparison template for comparing different VPN services regardless of anyone's personal experience that may not have reviewed them all? If so, can you share that template?

    -- Tom
     
  20. Taliscicero

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    Hey Tom.

    Last time that I checked, Cryptohippie was charging x3 as much as any of the above providers and had a cap on download bandwidth. Compare that to unlimited bandwidth and the other three with just as good a privacy policy and track record and this is why Cryptohippie is not recommended by me.

    Cryptovpn is an unknown to me, and this is the first time I'm hearing about it. Just that fact makes me trust it less, if it was well liked people would bring it up more.
     
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    Hi Taliscicero,

    Crytovpn was mentioned recently in a detailed article at Arstechnica.com (search for cryptovpn at arstechnica.com to read the article). At that time, I too had never heard of it and searched for it here at Wilders, but did not find it. BTW, cryptovpn was mentioned in the Arstechnica article as a typical "bulletproof" VPN service which to my knowledge has never been a characteristic mentioned for any vpn services discussed here at Wilders - I could be wrong on that point, and if so, please correct me.

    Haven't you ever heard of verify first, then trust?

    There is a first time for everything, and jumping to conclusions quickly without learning the facts first is not recommended. My first response was simple curiosity not mistrust which I always choose to hold in abeyance until I find out factual information on which to base an informed opinion.

    I doubt whether other people liking something and bringing it up more is a qualified metric for choosing one vpn over another - i.e. it could be for all the wrong reasons. Which is why I recommend being a skeptic about anyone else's findings if one has not checked them out independently for themselves regarding their veracity. On that point, it is necessary to have comparison metrics to guage the differences which is why I was asking about a comparison template (if it existed among the readers of this thread) to be shared. And yes, cost is but one metric in that comparison which some are willing to undertake because they can afford it while others cannot vis'a'vie Cryptohippe.

    Congratulations on your skepticism of the unknown!

    -- Tom ;)
     
  22. Taliscicero

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    There is an old trick to beat the law of averages, if you have one person guess how many marbles are in a container you will usually get a less accurate result then asking 100 people and taking an average. I use this in relation to VPN as well. If 100 people have seen one product and 95% of them think its good, I trust this more then if 5 people have seen a different product and 100% of them say it is good. 95% is a lower number, but because of laws of averages the 95% is more likely to be accurate.
     
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    Well, yes, there are probably more than 3 good ones.

    But "Guerrilla Marketing"? I just did the research and picked what came across as trustworthy. Accepting BitCoin or Cash was one qualifier.

    I don't recall Mullvad or Air, ever posting here. Bohle does, but it's for support issues...which is appreciated.

    I'm just a user.

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    I always have a backup primary VPN, in case my main one has problems, or goes away ;) And I'm always looking for new possibilities.

    I trust what I see on Wilders far more than typical VPN reviews. At best, they seem rather clueless, and some are apparently advertising.

    What are other good VPNs?

    What are reliable reviews?
     
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    Steve Gibson in Episode 400 of Security Now spoke about VPNs and rated one called ProXPN -http://proxpn.com/

    They have a capped free account and an unlimited premium account with servers all around the world. You're able to use torrents, but they keep records for 14 days. I think it looks very good and I respect Steve Gibson but the record keeping is likely going to be a problem for some people. The free version could be a good alternative to SecurityKiss or it could be used as part of the VPN-TOR-VPN combo.

    Steve also says this "But if you want to do the paid version, go to ProXPN.com/twit. ProXPN/twit. As you mentioned, normally $75 for an entire year for the pro version. If you go month to month, it's 10 bucks month a month, 9.95 a month. But our special offer will save you 20 percent off the lifetime of your account forever."

    It's also worth ProXPN now sponsors TWiT so they're the pay masters of Security Now....
     
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