pcIP; The Demise

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  1. hollywoodpc

    hollywoodpc Registered Member

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    Uh oh !!!!! Could this mean the same for Authensys ? OUCH !!!! ISA IS the Authensys author so ..................
    I knew they blew it . They shot themselves in the foot . Oh well . Poorly managed .
     

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  2. Wake2

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    Thanks for the heads up on this Hollywood, I never did get that email,
    pcIP is a great program, and Authensy same company so yup I guess
    that will be gone to, sorry to see their closing.


    Regards,

    Wake
     
  3. hollywoodpc

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    Sad thing is , it was them that did it to themselves . The whole fiasco with outages progressively getting worse and then no response to many emails and very slow on answering in the forums . The inside scoop is that their business was doing well . Then , they were plagued by customers upset with the handling of many things . Answers first and foremost . A great product was run into the ground . It is one thing for a program to fail due to lack of interest or the program failing . This was not the case . very sad indeed . pcIP was the best safety program I ever used as a standalone .
     
  4. panda01

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    i too have been using pcIP for a while now and it is sad.
    But hollywoodpc there really isn't another product on the market at the moment that can do what pcIP as far as DLL authentication went??
    Do you have any replacement prog suggestions??

    phil
     
  5. Triple Helix

    Triple Helix Webroot Product Advisor

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    Oh well you where right Hollywood to bad they will be gone It was a great piece of Security Software!!


    Regards,
     
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  6. hollywoodpc

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    Hi Panda01 .
    I really do not . PG is good . But , as far as all the things that pcIP did , there is no replacement unless you use different products . My setup is very good . If you wish to know what I use , please feel free to pm me . My setup may not even appeal to you but , there are many different things you can try . I will help if I can .
    Triple dude ! Good to see you my friend . hey , where the crap did Threshold go anyway ?
     
  7. Peter2150

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    If you are looking for something that will detect changes in DLL's and drivers, Safe'n'Sec from Star Force does.

    Pete
     
  8. Notok

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    Although it does it a little differently, Prevx1 will handle the same things, and will probably provide better/more true "authentication".
     
  9. Peter2150

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    Hi Notok

    Could you clarify what you mean by better/more true "authentication" On my last look at Prevx1, I don't remember it doing anything with DLL's. I currently run OA,Ghost Security,Safe'n'Sec, and KAV 6.0 Beta(which has a Proactive Module). They all do an excellent job of catching executable's, and drivers, but the only one i've seen catch DLL changes is Safe'n'Sec.

    Also unless something has radically changed since the release of Prevx1, while I couldn't argue it detects changes in programs any/better or worse than any other program, but as to truer "authentication" I would disagree. It missed some keylogger's I have(that KAV hits on) as being potentially bad, and labaled a Paperport executable(Well know business program) as being suspicious. I think they have some work to do before I'd buy that claim.

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  10. Triple Helix

    Triple Helix Webroot Product Advisor

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    Yes gone Bye-Bye oh well still got Invasion and Surface!!

    Cheers,
     
  11. hollywoodpc

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    You are correct Peter .
    @ Triple : Yep . Thank goodness;)
     
  12. Notok

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    You must not have had many unknown DLLs attempting to load, I've seen plenty.

    Prevx1 will prompt you if something tries to register a DLL via rundll32, regsvr, COM objects (which, afaik, nobody else does), APPINIT_DLLS, DLLs loaded by IE, OE, and Explorer, process hijacking, and DLL injection. Known bad DLLs will not be loaded, even if the rest of the app is good. Some of these are set to heuristics only, but keep in mind that the heuristics create as many signatures per day automatically as most AV's do manually. The malware analysts will (in addition to adding signatures) then add heuristic rules according to the trends being seen by the malware coming in, and the development team can add additional policies for protection areas the same way your AV will update signatures (the policies for which behaviors to block are modular, so updating them isn't that much different than an AV updating it's database, assuming it doesn't require a new driver or such). In short, you have several layers of authentication, including live analysis by malware researchers.. which is why I say "probably better/more true" authentication, because of the question of whether ISA actually authenticated anything or just ran the file through some AV scanners.

    At one point I downloaded every keylogger download.com had, and nearly all the scanners missed them while in their installers (NOD32 caught like one, Ewido didn't catch any, etc.). I wonder, though, did you actually try running them, or are you just reffering to the installers sitting dormant in a folder somewhere during the initial verification process during install? As I remember, it was offered that if you'd submit them, then they'd add detection for you, for which you refused in a way that rather surprised me for someone that opted to be an early beta tester. At any rate, there are also reasons that Prevx doesn't catch all the installers. I've seen a lot of stuff that gets caught inside the installers, though, in addition to the generic keylogger detection, etc., as well as continuing to add new technology.

    As far as the database goes, yes it has improved quite a bit. AFAIK you stopped the beta pretty early. Now that the program (which includes the database) is no longer in beta, more attention can be paid to the content of the database, as well as having a larger community to contribute.

    One FP doesn't really sound that bad to me. I've had much worse from even the top anti-spyware scanners, and far far more from the other behavior blockers that you mention, Safe'n'Sec being no exception. Prevx is also pretty fast about fixing these when/if you report them.

    Peter: This is really farther than I wanted to go in this thread, though, and just wanted to mention Prevx1 as one alternative.. you can feel free to PM me if you want to discuss it further, though :)
     
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  13. MikeNash

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    Hi Everyone,

    If your subscription to PC Internet Patrol would be current after 28th February (the date of their service shutdown), please mail your proof of purchase to us over here at Tall Emu and we'll sort you out with a free copy of Online Armor, including 12 months of updates.

    This offer is available until 28th February only for home users.

    In the interests of fair play - in the event that PCIP manages to find a way out of their current situation without negatively impacting their customers, this offer will be withdrawn.


    Regards


    Mike
     
  14. Wake2

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    hi hollywoodpc, Triple, Peter, Notok, and Mike,

    Appreciate all your suggestions for a alternative
    program similar to what pcIP offered, I currently
    have Kav, Kerio, and PreEmpt, and am not sure how
    Prevx1 would figure into this setup.

    Mike I would like to thank you to for your generous
    offer as Online Armor is a truly excellent product,
    while our subscription to pcIP was due to expire on
    March 8 unfortunately I cant take you up on this
    offer because when pcIP said all current members
    were to receive their new Authensys program free
    for one year I threw away all my paperwork as I
    really was not much impressed with that program.

    Have to say though I have heard so many positive
    things about Online Armor I will probably trial it soon
    and consider purchasing it for our computers.

    Regards,

    Wake
     
  15. Wake2

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    Whats up now with pcIP they arent closing after all ?
     
  16. hollywoodpc

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    I give up ! Who knows ?? I do not know if they know . Get OA and roll on . As good as pcIP was / is , it is not worth having if it will shutdown by itself and no help is EVER offered . Mike has made a gracious offer , in my opinion , and I appreciate TallEmu for it . Very kind I think . AND , a GREAT program .
    Thank you Mike . For ALL you do;) :cool:
     
  17. Peter2150

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    A big Amen on that.
     
  18. Wake2

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    Yup i agree with you hollywood was like pcIP was up, than down,
    than up, than down again, than they quit lol, and now there up
    again, so yes for sure I will be downloading Online Armor.

    Regards,

    Wake
     
  19. hollywoodpc

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    I am getting seasick !!:D :D
     
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