NoScript vs uMatrix

Discussion in 'other software & services' started by n8chavez, Jan 24, 2021.

  1. Rasheed187

    Rasheed187 Registered Member

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    What I'm saying is that NS is not needed for protection against exploits. But I don't know about XSS and ABE (?) protection, it might be useful when it comes to this stuff. But disabling first party scripts, which is the main feature of NS, is about the silliest thing you could do since it will break many sites. It makes more sense to block third party scripts related to advertising and tracking, you can do this with for example Ghostery and uBlock Origin.
     
  2. Sampei Nihira

    Sampei Nihira Registered Member

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    The main purpose of ABE is to provide protection against CSRF attacks:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_request_forgery

    and thus complement XSS protection.

    P.S.


    If we take our forum even the "easy mode" of UBO needs adjustments otherwise the smiles, for example, will not work.
    Few websites are fully usable in "medium mode".

    Moral

    If you have to waste time configuring UBO you can waste time configuring Noscript as well.

    _________________________________

    This of course is my thought, each member of W. feels free to think and act as he prefers.;):thumb::)
     
  3. Brummelchen

    Brummelchen Registered Member

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    I had ABP and NS in the beginning, and dropped NS very fast because it was (and still is) a desaster to configure. I had more and faster success with ublock.

    XSS and ABE are arguments, but in conjunction with ublock that is all, ublock is superior to many other blockers. And even when umatrix got its end, it still works - and it has no sequel, not even close. Also gorhil has left open the door for those who want to go ahead with umatrix development. If it will have issues or security leaks, we will see.

    but to be on topic again - i dont consider XSS and ABE as that important.

    found this , is some days ago
    https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/noscript-or-ublock-origin.388562/


    ABE
    https://noscript.net/abe/
    from
    https://github.com/uBlock-LLC/uBlock/issues/1276
    (those are two statements)
    but
    BTW still using noscript?
    https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/noscript-or-ublock-origin.388562/#post-2618107
    ;)

    someone wrote in 2018
    https://malwaretips.com/threads/fir...n-what-are-peoples-thoughts.86389/post-761155

    at least he should try out both.
     
  4. imdb

    imdb Registered Member

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    for my money, @gorhill is the steve jobs of content blocker developers. he's an innovator, a pioneer, a visionary in this field. and ubo is the apple of content blockers. it's simple yet technologically advanced, effective, elegant, well-designed and very easy to use.
     
  5. MisterB

    MisterB Registered Member

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    In general, I prefer uMatrix over Noscript just due to ease of use. I use Noscript in Firefox and uMatrix in any chromium based browsers along with uBlock. With the combination of both uBlock and uMatrix, I can get an acceptable user experience even with over coded monsters of the web like Facebook. At this point, it isn't just about security and malicious scripts. Perfectly legitimate sites have code I don't want running on my browser too.
     
  6. n8chavez

    n8chavez Registered Member

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    I'm still testing both out (and having a bit of fun doing it). I've converted my updated lists (largely composed of the list bo elam provided) from noscript to uBo if anyone wants them.

    no-cosmetic-filtering: www.espn.com true
    no-csp-reports: * true
    no-large-media: behind-the-scene false
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    * yandex.ru * block
    * yardbarker.com * block
    * yeabble.com * block
    * yeo1tfjz5f.com * block
    * ygrtbssc.com * block
    * yieldmanager.com * block
    * youtube.com * allow
    * ytbpmzbabph.com * block
    * ytimg.com * allow
    * z6naousb.com * block
    * zanox.com * block
    * zap.buzz * block
    * zedo.com * block
    * zedoadnetwork.com * block
    * zencdn.net * block
    * zombiesoup.co * block
    * zqaxaqqqutrx.com * block
    * zuyejecgb.com * block
    * zvaianux.bid * block
    arizonasports.com twitter.com * block
    arizonasports.com platform.twitter.com * block
    behind-the-scene * * noop
    behind-the-scene * 1p-script noop
    behind-the-scene * 3p noop
    behind-the-scene * 3p-frame noop
    behind-the-scene * 3p-script noop
    behind-the-scene * image noop
    behind-the-scene * inline-script noop
    coinalyze.net injections.adguard.org * allow
    www.espn.com * 3p-frame block
    www.espn.com * 3p-script block
    www.espn.com adguard.org * noop
    foxnews.com taplytics.com * block
    foxnews.com js.taplytics.com * block
    tvline.com spy.com * block
    * http://www.bxfsdzpffy.bid * block
    * http://cdn.cdnserv.pw * block
    * http://comegarage.com * block
    * http://www.hxlkmsib.bid * block
    * http://www.nfzaustkhtkd.com * block
    * https://s3.amazonaws.com * block
    * http://www.vtdvhmbouayj.club * block

    One disadvantage to uBo I see, that might not matter at all to you, is that uBo is very (very) bright. It uses a lot of white blank space, and it a dark room or if using a custom dark UI theme against it, uBo can be bothersome. Does anyone know of a way to get uBo to have a dark theme? ShadowFox seems to not work anymore.
     
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  7. Brummelchen

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    holy ****, this the complete wrong way to insert lists.

    if you want to add lists click in the "Assets" pane, scroll down, insert eg
    Code:
    https:\\hostfiles.frogeye.fr\firstparty-only-trackers-hosts.txt
    and activate "Import..."
    there is absolutely no need to insert those manally in "my rules"

    you are best advised to read the wiki how to perform with umatrix.
    https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix/wiki

    the other mismatch i consider that you missed the purpose of umatrix. uM is the companion to another adblocker. you block unwanted pages in the adblocker and add unwanted other (magic word) source like css, xhr, media (other) which are not covered by adblocker.
     
  8. n8chavez

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    For one thing it's not a hosted listed, so adding it via the assets page would be impossible. Also, as any second grader could tell you, the above post was about uBo not uMatrix.
     
  9. Sampei Nihira

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    We have two contrasting views.
    I, on the other hand, consider the protection features of Noscript, which I use in conjunction with UBO, to be important.
    With my browser, I could also use ηMatrix actively developed by Alessio Vanni (Vanilla) who is Italian like me.
    But I prefer the extension of Giorgio Maone, always Italian like me.
    And not only because I had him long, long, time ago as a teacher.
    ;):thumb::)
     
  10. Brummelchen

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    eMatrix is for a very small group of user, at this time it has no life for current developped browsers and no crap of the past. UXP is currently a very dead end.
    https://addons.palemoon.org/addon/ematrix/

    UXP supports the old and vulnerable XUL platform which only

    lives in palemoon and basilisk, but they still have no multiprocessing, a current developed JavaScript engine and more. So UXP does not really have performance. If eMatrix won't be lifted to Firefox or chrome it never would have any special success, it's a niche product. If that was the target then it is a limited view to the things.

    btw
    From my view absolute not acceptable. uMatrix do not break pages after installation, but this one do!? Seriously? For beginners?

    what about joining github and asking gorhill - or asking here? He is open to new features. for me and probably a lot of other users the light theme is no issue. At least i don't care about "dark mode".
     
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  11. imdb

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    yeah, i don't give a duck about it either.
     
  12. Brummelchen

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    for the records - details: stylus cant work on such internal pages, but you can try with userChrome.css/userContent.css in firefox (only).

    lot of extensions do not switch on dark mode, those resist white.

    admitted - black background has more contrast to other colors. after a long period to build pages in dark colors (to let them look "bad") admins created white pages, or a special kind of blue, to point out a clean slate or a reliable state. psychic effects on users/customers.

    dark mode in windows or pages are just a matter of readability.

    I investigated some time right now, read here:
    https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Advanced-settings
    I don't ave any clue about it, you need to read yourself how it works.
     
  13. Sampei Nihira

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    :argh:

    In addition to Moonchild and Matt Tobin there are many developers using UXP.
    You claim the platform is vulnerable while they don't.
    A bit like XPapocalypse predicted wrongly by many but then never happened.
     
  14. Brummelchen

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    ofc they need to refuse, otherwise they need to say that the whole concept is wrong. there is nothing wrong to lift XUL to a new "level" but while firefox still contains XUL and get fixes they are able to transform such patches. if firefox has no XUL any longer, there is nothing to transform or copy whatever, they need to fix XUL themselves versus attacks. and thats the same problem for the old waterfox, not the NG build. there is a lot to do on UXP and they need to hurry.
     
  15. Trooper

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    So I stumbled onto this post on Reddit regarding NoScript. Can someone in know please advise on this?

    -https://old.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/mfxym1/a_reminder_that_noscript_shouldnt_be_trusted_lets/
     
  16. bo elam

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    Hi Trooper, all of that is very old. The price (if any) that was to be paid by Giorgio and NoScript has already being paid (years ago). The guy who wrote what you linked wants NoScript to be hanged twice for the same offense. The issue with Adblock plus was in 2009. Giorgio apologized, and the issue came to an end. At the time, I was a new NoScript user and was also using Adblock plus. I didnt stop using either program, even though years later I decided to stop using ABP when I became an advanced NoScript user and realized that most ads would get blocked by NoScript anyway.

    Regarding the Home page that opens up after updating NoScript. It has been years since that happened last time. In other words, that doesn't happen anymore. On this matter, let me add this. I rarely install programs outside the sandbox , but many programs do open their Home page after installing or uninstalling their program. Every one has seen this, I guess he forgot. I also can tell you this, at the time when NoScript opened their Home page after updating NS, there was a setting that you could tick to disable the opening of the Home page.

    Regarding the default white list. That is for beginners, it is supposed to make the first few steps using NoScript a little easier. IMO, the default list is so little and really should not even come by default. This is so because IMO every one should build their white list based on their own browsing experience. That is the best way and really the one way for using NoScript. My white list is useless to you, and yours is useless to me. That is basically what I am saying.

    By the way, the thing I recommend new users to do with the default white list and what I would do if I had bought a new PC today, after installing Firefox and NoScript, I would delete the default white list and import mine.

    So, the problem with the white list was that the default white list included domains that would allow the ads that made money for NoScript in NoScripts Home page to be displayed. I don't know how bad to gauge that.. But personally, I didn't have a problem with it. Regarding what I am saying in this paragraph, the only thing that I think Giorgio should have done better is the quality of the ads that were displayed in the Home page. This ads were for programs that I would never install and hopefully none of us would do. They were what AV's label as Potentially unwanted programs. I don't know now but in the past they were advertised all over the internet, in webpages we are supposed to trust eyes shot, everywhere. And some times they come bundled with decent clean programs. I don't see any of this stuff when I browse, perhaps because I am using NoScript but you guys who are not and are reading this ought to know what I am talking about.

    Again, old stuff. Trooper (you are not one of this for sure) but the post you linked is for haters and non users of NoScript who are looking for reasons for not trying NoScript. No one should put heavy weight on something that is at least 5 years old and was taken care of, or something that happened more than 10 years ago (also taken care of).

    Bo
     
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  17. imdb

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    @Trooper see, trooper, that's the issue with ns. you must spend a lot of your precious time (6 months in elam's case :D ) to "become an advanced user". but with ubo (and even with um) you just "plug and play", works right out of the box. and your precious time is yours.
     
  18. bo elam

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    Satisfaction......

    Usually, the amount of satisfaction you get out of doing something depends on how hard it is to reach the goal. In the particular case of NoScript, the goal is learning how to use it properly. In my particular case use, about six months is what it took for NoScript to click on my head. When that happened, all of the sudden everything related to NoScript started making sense. It became as easy as drinking water. Reaching that point was a high that made it worth it, and very satisfying.

    On the other hand, you can make things easier, and install programs that depend on other people's list, plug and play and you go. On day one is a lot easier, having other people do the blocking for you. If that is a good enough for you, I am glad it is and I have no problem.

    But is not for me. NoScript doesn't use lists, with NoScript you have to do the blocking yourself. You have to learn to make things easier. With NS is like you having to work hard to make your first million dollars, with your favorite program, someone gives it to you. Is the same one million, but the satisfaction you get in each case is different.

    To help people I have mentioned a few times in the past that it took me about 6 months to become an advanced user. I mention the amount of time so people know that NS is not going to be easy, that it is supposed to be hard. I do it to encourage people to be brave and put the time to learn. But what do you do when you read me say that? you giggle and flame and try to make a joke and be funny. Huge difference, while I try to help, you giggle.

    Bo
     
  19. imdb

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    see, elam, that's the point. in this age of constant stream of information and professionalization, nobody's wiling to spend their precious time on learning how to become an advanced user of a stupid browser extension. people would rather use that time for personal development, for more productive activities. maybe you too should start using ubo, so you can just relax and enjoy surfing the web safe and easy. ;)
     
  20. bo elam

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    I know you ll never get it, but there are plenty people like me, who prefer to do the blocking themselves, to choose themselves what to block and what to allow. And do not want to use blocking lists (that are developed by other people). The way NoScript is designed is exactly what we want (no lists, period). It feels great when you go to a new website that appears as difficult, and you want to tame because is a site that you think you will be visiting often in the future, and you look at it and just by looking at the names of the domains, you know what they do and right away you know what to try to get the website going and giving you the content you want. It all comes from experience. NoScript is about experience and putting the effort to learn it. The value of the payback for learning NS is priceless.

    Anyway, I have been using NoScript for 13 years, and enjoying using NoScript for 13 years. If you think I went thru a period of hard time to learn NoScript, sorry to disappoint you, from day 1 I had the right attitude, just started using the program, did not fight it or get frustrated, just let it go. Doing a lot of temporarily allow, using it just the way it is supposed to when you are new. I knew it was a great program and wanted to learn it. And when things started clicking, it was like learning to ride a bicycle (once you learn, you don't forget).

    Bo
     
  21. imdb

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    see, elam, the difference between you and me here is that i used ns in the past with various browsers and i know from the first hand how it works and what's good and bad about it. but apparently you never used ubo. because, if you did, you'd know about its dynamic filtering capability that allows you to block elements and first and third party connections and scripts on a webpage without being dependent on filter lists. the filter lists (static filtering) is just the icing on the cake. come on, don't be shy, you can have a piece of the cake. ;)
     
  22. Trooper

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    Hi Bo,

    Thanks for chiming in here. I realized that the guy has hate for NoScript. I used to be a huge Firefox user from the very early days until maybe around 2013 or so. I also used to use NoScript and recall the days where an update would bring you to their homepage. I am trying to get myself back into Firefox and was just curious about this whole dilemma, even though it was from 2016. I am not sure if I will use NoScript any more as I have been using uBO for many years with Chrome and other browsers. However I still feel it provides value, even though it may be cumbersome to get used to. I think many people are taking this guys post on Reddit to seriously and are asking what else they should use and that is just wrong.

    Thanks again for posting here, it is much appreciated.
     
  23. bo elam

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    Glad to help, Trooper. Remember Firefox introduced big changes in Firefox 57 and with this changes came the move from NoScript 5 to NoScript 10. This happened in late 2017. So NoScript is a little different now than what you remember of it from 2013. It is simpler and looks different but if you knew how to use it in 2013, you ll find NoScript 10 easier than the old NS and all about NS should start making sense real quick.
    In case you don't know, NoScript is now available for Chrome. I dont use Chrome but I am using the extension with the new Chromium Edge. NoScript feels the same in Edge as it does in Firefox. I don't do much browsing with Edge but when I do it, NoScript is doing things as they are supposed to be done. For me, NoScript being available for Edge is huge, it makes the browser worth using.

    Regarding the guys asking about what else they should use, I can tell you this. None of them are NoScript users, that is because no serious NoScript user is gonna make a move after reading a hateful post based on stuff that took place between 5 and 11 years ago. If they were going to move away from NS, they would already had done it. IMO, most of those posters are guys who at one point in their life installed NS, and when they found that NS doesn't do things for you, that you have to do them yourself, uninstalled the extension after 35 minutes. So, when they read hateful posts as the one you linked, that gives approval for their laziness of not even trying to make sense of NoScript.

    Bo
     
  24. Azure Phoenix

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    As a chromium-based browser user, I see no reason to use NoScript. When I can use uBlock which gives me what NoScript does and more.
     
  25. KeyPer4Life

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    The NoScript author also had conflict with Ghostery extension, not just
    with Adblock Plus. Yes it's old news, but it did happen. Trust was violated.

    For some users that was enough to stop using NoScript, while others continued to use it.
    Some users complained about when NoScript 10 came out they didn't like the new
    changes and stopped using it. Again others liked it and continued using it.

    Having used NoScript for quite sometime ( 5 and 10 versions) it doesn't really
    appeal to me anymore. When uMatrix and uBO came out there was no need for me
    to continue using NoScript. I've used uMx & uBO, but there was more of a learning
    curve with uMatrix than uBO.
    NoScript also at least for me was harder to configure (learning curve)
    than uBO. Of the 3 extensions uBO is the easiest to use IMO and I've stuck with it.
    Given a choice between using NoScript and uMatrix only I would for myself go with
    uMatrix although it's not being developed by Gorhill anymore.

    NOTE: NoScript does come pre-installed if you use the TOR browser.
     
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