New powers for police to hack your PC Without A Warrant

Discussion in 'privacy problems' started by caspian, Jan 6, 2009.

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  1. caspian

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    From the article:

    Hopefully, no one here would become a victim of this method of getting the virus

    It's not clear if this implies gaining physical access to the computer in order to install a hardware keylogger.

    For those using wireless, I suppose you should see if there are ways of preventing this type of monitoring.

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  3. Warlockz

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    Well I guess if your not a cyber-criminal or paedophile you shouldn't have anything to worry about!

    But this should only be done only after gaining a search warrant:mad: , guess the UK is slowly taking away their citizens Human Rights, I also heard they were banning Hardcore Pornography? Must suck to live in the UK:thumbd: !
     
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    I think the odds of getting an email virus are extremely low, even for normal peeps.

    For hardware keyloggers, you'll always need physical access. But they are not new by a long shot, they've been in use for years.

    Using good wireless settings. But I think this method is used on combination with a previous breach in which they obtained the password for the wireless connection. But if you're serious about privacy and security, you don't use wireless. ESPECIALLY not for your keyboard.
     
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  5. badjoey

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    hi guys am very curius about them monitoring a wireless connection to gain access to your computer.my question is what if as soon as you access this wireless connection you than automatically connect to a vpn and every time you connect to this wirelless you are using a different vpn in a different country would they still be able to monitor you thru this wireless network.any help would be appreciated.
     
  6. Max Zorin

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    Would it be okay for me to hack the police PCs and monitor them?
     
  7. caspian

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    Yes I think that is a good idea. Without a warrant.
     
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    Oh really? Why would you assume that? If they are insistent about not having to obtain a warrant then that can only mean one thing. Abuse. It's just like the warrantless wiretapping in the US. This way they can spy on anyone for any reason and never have to answer for it. Political opponents can be spied upon. People who oppose religious fundamentalism. Business rivals. The queers, the hippies, the Wiccans....you name it.

    I remember when the Bush administration announced that they would be spying on journalists. Almost immediately there were stories of whistle blowers and informants zipping it up. They are afraid to talk now. Foreign sources in Iraq stopped talking. Just what George W Putin n thugs wanted. If a person does not believe in freedom of speech and a right to privacy, then he is anti-American. Pure and simple.
     
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    I agree. It is not a matter if you got anything to worry about. It is rather a matter of violating our right to have our privacy.

    I would prefer them to install webcams all over my home. I could then perform a live show and sing "Too sexy for my sheet". :D I would become famous, I'm sure of that. But, I have a pretty good feel I won't have such luck.

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    I agree as well. I've always liked the old "extend it out" theory for people who say that if you're not doing X, Y or Z then "you have nothing to worry about". The "extend it out theory" asks a simple question to those people and that's if the police knocked on your door and said they were coming inside to look through your desk drawers, your nightstand and everything else, would you feel violated? Would you be angry? If yes, why is that? After all, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about! See? Where does it end? I've seen on this forum people write that privacy=freedom and vice versa and really that's true. When you try to define freedom, it's hard to define without protection of privacy and being left alone, unless there is specific reason to believe you have done something wrong. Government fishing expeditions and freedom don't go well together. So yes, freedom=privacy and vice versa.
     
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    This is pertinent to the US as well.

    When you live in a "Nation of Laws" and have 485 politicians whose careers depend on cooking up
    laws for perpetuity you must eventually and inevitably end up with a murky stew of good laws, bad laws,
    arbitrary laws and laws so obscure that any citizens who can not afford the priviledge of law school
    are not even aware of. Season with a dash of nationalist and moralistic fervor and a heaping spoonful
    of a ruling executive and administration which claims, unoppossed, to transcend the law. This is part
    of an old recipe for turning a people predetermined by law to rule by law into a people ruled by law
    determined by their "betters".

    Those who so eagerly partake of this vile repast are quick to boast " Well, I've nothing to hide ! ".
    I say " Well, perhaps not tonight. But what of tomorrow morning? ".
     
  12. eagle5

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    These powers has always been there we have only just become worthy enough to be told about it now. But I would like to thank them for waking me up from my sleep, as I had become too reliant on modern technology....back to simple pen, paper, wink and a nudge...let me see them try hacking me now.
     
  13. TechOutsider

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    Wonder how many investagations are held w/o warrants ..

    maybe we don't want to know.
     
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    having been framed by the police once already (ounce of marijuana) when i was young whats to stop them framing people they want to lock up?
     
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    Isn't this statement only partially true? (i.e., under certain specific conditions)

    You cannot infect a computer with malware through email unless the user's system either has unpatched or unknown vulnerablilities, or the user deliberately installs the malware. Right?

    Simply reading an email or even opening an attachment or clicking a link to a malicious site cannot infect your system unless some piece of software you have is vulnerable, or you deliberately install the 'virus'.

    Unless the authority in question makes use of a vulnerability for which there is no fix, or some piece of software is not fully patched, they cannot do this remotely.
     
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    Nothing, and they will - "they" rather referring the political police and parties within the establishment who have access to the same sophisticated tax funded surveillance facilities.
     
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    I met a guy that has done it. I was shocked at how easy he said it was. I did not let on how I felt about it because I wanted to know more. He got started when he suspected his girlfriend of cheating. He was able to turn her webcam on and took screencaps of her and a guy. He has done this to other girls too. He is a freak. He told me the website that sells the product. They claim to be able to disable and/or bypass antiviruses and firewalls. It will take screencaps, keylog, and turn on your webcam. You can gain control of the computer and add or delete files as well. It is scary. And it's $39.95. You can send a picture with the malware embedded in it and it installs it in a secret location.
     
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    yea but doesnt this software require you to have physical access to the computer you want to take control of.i find it hard to believe that anyone who knows about computers could be affected by such a program.
     
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    No that's the thing. You can just send them a picture.....a simple picture of anything. It is embedded in the picture and all they have to do is open it up and it is installed. You configure ot as to how many screenshots top take and you have the choice of receiving the keylogs in an email instead of a file on your computer etc.... It is scary! I also read that there was a 19 yr old kid from Canada that was going to news groups where they trade child porn. He would send a picture of a child with one of these trojans in it and gain access to their computer and then contact authorities. They busted a bunch of people that way but they eventually made him quit.
     
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    What is this it that is installed?

    If you are referring to a trojan executable,

    then Dogbiscuit's statement still holds.

    The statement in bold has to be met before this it can be installed in the manner you outline.

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    That sounds like the old jpeg exploit from 2004. Malicious code embedded in a jpeg could cause a buffer overrun vulnerability in gdiplus.dll. This was patched long ago. Even if the vulnerability still existed, a security package that included a decently configured HIPS or used software restriction policies would defeat it.
     
  22. Warlockz

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    LOL

    #1. Its called a BACKDOOR,

    You know the things they added to the latest service packs ECT....


    #2 Tools of their trade, can come in a wide variety basically a White listed Trojan->

    Just a few examples,

    Magic Lantern
    Key Logger System (KLS)
    ECHELON
    DCS-1000 (formerly called CARNIVORE)
    TEMPEST
    Oasis
    Triangle Boy

    #3 They have already been added to most White Lists, so your HIPS "Most likely" wont do anything about it! Bet your favorite Security suite already played that game, Lets Make A Deal!


    caspian
    Yea they have billions of dollars to sit around and watch all of your activities! They already made it clear to the public that their targets are cyber-criminals and pedophiles, so if you don't fit into those 2 categories you shouldn't be getting so paranoid about the issue!

    Yes people are getting tired of having their Identities stolen online, and having their machine hacked by some punk kid with nothing better to do than fuxx up peoples lives, and yes people are getting tired of pedophiles Kidnapping, raping and Killing innocent children, or even Molesting their own children because they got addicted to online Child Pornography and couldn't control their twisted little sexual urges, and Yes it has been proven because most of the ones who commit such hanus crimes said the internet is what got them started in the first place!

    So whats the difference between them getting a warrant first?

    A piece of Paper!


    Something of more importance to me,
    Here's some links for those who support Net Neutrality!

    http://www.savetheinternet.com/
    http://irrepressible.info/
    http://www.eff.org/

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    Can you please explain how one of these would get installed on my computer?

    thanks,

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    A very, very important piece of paper. A warrant is signed by a judge after law enforcement has shown probable cause that a crime has been committed or there is information related to a crime. The judge that signs one is liable for that warrant. They can be sanctioned, have all evidence thrown out, etc. if defense can show that they signed a warrant without probable cause. That's why they now have for "national security" threats these warrant-less wiretaps, National Security Letters, etc., because so many times judges said NO! That's why a warrant is important. Very important, and more than just a "piece of paper."
     
  25. TechOutsider

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    Obviously if you wanted total security you should not own a computer ... if you don't want yours just ship it to me @ ... ;)

    I was watching season 1 of prison break today and it was kind of scary ... they were framing innocent people for this and that. Hopefully, the police don't abuse their powers and warrants.

    However, it seems like everything in this world centers around power/control. Why do people become president? Do they really do it for the good of the rest of us? Naw. Well, maybe, to an extent. However, there is always a power/control aspect.

    However, if your not doing anything illegal, you shouldn't worry ... maybe they will convict you of being innocent.

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    E-mails, thumb drives, hard drives :eek:; cd/dvd/discs; floppy disks, etc etc etc etc.

    Those programs aren't the whole picture; your ISP can spy on you.

     
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