New Antiexecutable: NoVirusThanks EXE Radar Pro

Discussion in 'other anti-malware software' started by sg09, Jun 3, 2011.

  1. EASTER

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    Where are they exactly in OSA in order to as you say "transfer" them to ERP.

    I also have BOTH programs running in harmony now.
     
  2. guest

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    Let ERP be ERP and not trying to copy other solutions. ERP has a command line parser and Lockdown Mode which is good enough.

    It won't happen, it is not in ERP scope, just use Appguard alongside as i do.
    ERP is just an anti-exe, it can't even monitor the memory or even DLLs (unlike Smart Object Blocker), so don't even expect to see any Memory Containment feature.
     
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  3. mood

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    Ticking the option "Block execution of any process related to NirSoft" in OS Armor is basically the same as writing this rule in ERP 4.x:
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    And this can be done with most of the options in OS Armor.

    I think it can be useful for those who are running ERP 4.x to have pre-configured rules, at least some Powershell-related or "Attacks Mitigation"-Rules.

    OS Armor can be called a behaviour blocker but it is working internally not differently than ERP 4.x
    Both applications do scanning of processes, child processes and command-lines and are acting accordingly.
    OS Armor is the "easy way" of adding a behavior blocker but IMO the same could be achieved with proper rules in ERP.
     
  4. Peter2150

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    But obviously whoever has commissioned OSA, didn't want to have to writre rules, or be bothered with them
     
  5. mood

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    Exactly :)
     
  6. EASTER

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    (finally clearing the groggy out of my brain/eyes)

    Funny or better put, best thing that jumps out at me which is a huge relief is the vbs, etc. script blockings.

    Yes, ERP is set to alert on those and many others of course, but the OSA approach serves as a backup since on my machine ERP is more front line and picks up on scripts FIRST, then OSA kicks in with blocking IF it's decided to allow pass ERP.

    And even better yet on this end, I have a generic placement for local WiFi whereby I use my smartphone running off the lappy, which uses a combo of a vbs script and cmd at startup and no interference whatsoever. Didn't even have to modify either rules or their locations which breathes even more fresh air into this OSA/ERP combo.

    Rock On!
     
  7. mood

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    Yes, OSA + ERP is a good (or even perfect) combo :thumb:
     
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    No kidding! If my expression mark seems (where have you been lately), well I have been out of commission awhile.

    This OSA is as everyone already is aware, super granular and being of the ambitious and emotional type I had to blow a horn on what it's turning up as I run thru things today with it.

    See, I never been quite of a mind as a user where you have to learn variables and tinker and expend a huge amount of time prodding to line up GRANULARITY line by line, and/or VAR by VAR etc.

    OSA seems lays it out (as is so far) and for lack of a better term, takes a bunch of legwork out from that task and leaves pinpoint precision rules right where we can use and need/add them to be best for each particular machine's arrangement.

    WOW
     
  10. guest

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    When SOB will attain the usability of ERP then it will be a very good addition to OSA.
     
  11. EASTER

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    Almost forgot that. Enter yet another jewel in SOB. Gee Whiz. With these three PC safety apps where does a user turn.

    SOB never really caught on for me but that's only simple user preference on one end. Taking absolutely nothing away from it's great ability(s).

    Can't even imagine if the trio of such power safety apps can even be practically grouped together given the other programs most of us keep in place to form our solid walls of defense.
     
  12. shmu26

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    The thing that worries me about OSA is that malware (and Windows itself) is regularly morphing in unpredictable directions. This means that today's smart rules can become obsolete tomorrow. So for OSA to stay relevant, it will need constant development. And you know...
    But ERP stays "eternally" relevant.
     
  13. EASTER

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    Which leads this user to say, as is been a bug of mine for as long as Microsoft has dished out new releases of the O/S, where they add new leads/tie ins which many times introduce/present yet another new new wrinkle for security vendors to have to try to cover (with updates/upgrades).

    One example being PowerShell IMO of late, and then the cat and mouse game is right back on again where it falls to tracking and making provision to prevent bad actors from taking advantage of those new internal connections for their own purposes.

    You have to hand it to the good guys though. They are every single bit as notorious in staving off new twists for potential intrusion as much if not more than the bad guys.
     
  14. guest

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    In fact, SOB is better than ERP since it monitors dlls and drivers, the only huge con is the lack of GUI.
     
  15. EASTER

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    Which is exactly why it never really caught on for me.

    Shame too really. Since you point exactly to the excellent abilities SOB affords an end user.
     
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    wtf is SOB?
     
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    Here is the first public beta of ERP v4.0 (pre-release) test 1:
    http://downloads.novirusthanks.org/files/exe_radar_pro_4_setup_test1.exe

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    *** Please do not share the download link, we will delete it when we'll release the official v4.0 ***

    This is the changelog so far (summarized):

    + Redesigned the application from scratch
    + Kernel-drivers are co-signed by MS
    + Allow to enable\disable\search\sort\categorize rules
    + Simplified the user interface
    + More detailed events that show also the triggered rule
    + Create rules grouping process fields (name, signer, cmdline, parent, etc)
    + Allow matching parent process AND child process
    + Support wildcard (? and * character) on each process field
    + Improved support for Limited User Accounts and Fast User Switching
    + Self-protection against process termination is auto-enabled
    + Only Task Manager is allowed to terminate the program
    + Improved support for Windows 10

    How to handle Vulnerable Processes?
    I create a new category in Rules, named like "Vulnerable Processes", and I add there all system processes commonly hijacked and misused by malware, example cmd.exe, powershell.exe, rundll32.exe, etc. I set the Action = Ask to be always notified when they are executed. Other system processes like vssadmin.exe, reg.exe, regini.exe, etc I prefer to set Action = Deny to automatically block them (I don't need them). As you can see from the screenshot below I added also the SysWOW64 versions (I'm on a 64-bit OS). To allow a vulnerable process I just create a new rule matching the process, the parent process (can be useful) and the command-line string. In some safe cases, I just match the parent process and the child (vulnerable) process, i.e C:\Program Files\Safe\Process.exe (parent) -> C:\WINDOWS\System32\cmd.exe (child), without matching the command-line.

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    *** Probably you may avoid matching the SHA1 hash of vulnerable processes, because lets say a malware copies cmd.exe to Temp folder, then when it is executed you would get an Alert Dialog because it is not anymore a system process but is considered as an unknown process. Moreover the ones I added are not even digitally signed by MS. ***

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    I exported my list of vulnerable processes (made quickly, you may add some more):
    http://downloads.novirusthanks.org/files/VulnerableProcesses_Rules.csv

    Just click on "Rules" -> "Import" and select this CSV file to import them.

    Now that rules can be categorized you can just create new categories and put your custom rules there. One important thing, if you create a rule to allow all processes on C:\WINDOWS\* then it takes precedence on the Action = Ask so all processes in C:\WINDOWS\* will be allowed (also processes with Action = Ask). This first public beta should be pretty stable and you should familiarize with it easily, it has a simple interface to create and manage rules and to check events. The settings tab has a few important and simple option. The self-protection against process termination is enabled by default and can't be changed via the settings (it is not present there as option). Only task manager can terminate EXE Radar Pro processes.

    Let me know your feedback guys :)
     
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    :):thumb:

    Wilders Security people is going to burst with joy ... :ninja:
     
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    Nice!, I can't wait to give it a try. :thumb:
     
  22. EASTER

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    Amazing :thumb:
     
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    Fantastic, thanks Andreas.:thumb:
     
  24. JoWazzoo

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    I presume we Uninstall old version?
    Are our settings retained?
    Your Rules blend with ours?
    In stall in same directory as the exe.?

    Thank you - this is a great program.
     
  25. WildByDesign

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    @novirusthanks Is the expectation of 4.0 release to be free or paid? Thank you.
     
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