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Discussion in 'other software & services' started by Hadron, Aug 27, 2016.

  1. Mrkvonic

    Mrkvonic Linux Systems Expert

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    It's not all about security. In fact, it's NOT about security. Also, I don't care what Mozilla's motivation is. I care about how the browser works in my hands and whether it gives me what I need. When you buy a car, you don't care if the designer wanted to express spiritualism or if the engineers wanted to use Linux in the infotainment system. You want it to work the way you expect. A browser is useless if it does not do what the user expects or needs.

    Also that article is titled - what's in it for developers. That's the problem. I'm a user. Not a developer. I don't care if the browser runs on soy beans or java. Even the way WebExtensions is spelled (no space and two capital letters) indicates it's a nerdy convention that has no place among ordinary people who want to browse and enjoy the world. Especially those who have developed a decade plus of habits (and dependency) on Firefox and its framework of addons.

    Now you think I'm opposed to this change ...

    No.

    I am completely apathetic to the change itself - extensions go, extensions come. Has my usability been affected, yes or no?

    I am opposed to how it's done - amateur work with developers in mind, instead of professionalism with users and BACKWARD COMPATIBILITY in mind.

    But I'm not going to go into details how huge enterprise projects ought to be done. For one, you don't start without knowing what you want to achieve. Three months before the end date, some specifications are still missing. That's not professional. Legacy code will be destroyed. That's not professional. And so forth.

    Mrk
     
  2. wat0114

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    Thanks @Victek and @summerheat for the links. It will be interesting to see the final results of the v57. I sandboxie firefox on Win7 x64 currently, unless I'm watching Netflix. This is all complimented with uBlockO extension as well.


    With all due respect, I can only agree with the first sentence, not the second one. It may not be all about security, but a browser's security model has to play an important role in its development. Not just the user experience it affords to its end users. Not everyone likes the car analogy, but it's kind of like buying a car that drives comfortably, performs well, but lacks seat belts and air bags.
     
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  3. NormanF

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    Mrk has made the point before - so much software is written to be cool for developers with little thought given to the end user experience. Progress must enhance end user experience. If it doesn't it, its entirely beside the point. The one thing Mozilla had going for it was the ability of end users to customize its browser to serve their needs. Now they're taking it away. It doesn't make FF a better product. One could say Mozilla is not listening to its user base. They will find someone who does give them what they want - which is the way the market is supposed to work.
     
  4. safeguy

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    There's the ESR for those who need backward compatibility. Changes are slowly included in stable releases so that more end-users can get accustomed to them as time passes by rather than having it all thrown into their face at one go. It's important for developers to listen to user base but the user base is wide and varied - they cannot possibly cater to the user base 100% of the time as no progress will ever be made otherwise. It's a balancing act and I think the way Mozilla does it at the moment is quite reasonable.
     
  5. wat0114

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    Agreed. Maybe my user experience needs are simpler than most, but the current v55.x does everything I could possibly want, and then some.
     
  6. bo elam

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    I also agree. In fact, for me personally, 55.0.2 feels performing better than 54.0.1.

    Bo
     
  7. Pirate_fin

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    I'm using Firefox 55.0.2 and my bookmarks keep disappearing :(
     
  8. Mrkvonic

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    What do you mean by keep disappearing?
    Mrk
     
  9. Pirate_fin

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    When i add sites to bookmarks and after restarting firefox they are gone, but older bookmarks are still there :/

    Strange issue and it started after Firefox 55 was released.
     
  10. Brummelchen

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    corrupted places.sqlite or corrupted profile. delete places, firefox will autorecover, profile you need to refresh or new

    common solutions for most problems.
    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/troubleshoot-and-diagnose-firefox-problems

    test firefox in safe-mode please:
    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/troubleshoot-firefox-issues-using-safe-mode
    or
    http://kb.mozillazine.org/Safe_mode

    create a new profile
    http://kb.mozillazine.org/Creating_a_new_Firefox_profile_on_Windows or
    http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_Manager

    transfer data to new profile
    http://kb.mozillazine.org/Transferring_data_to_a_new_profile_-_Firefox

    or reset your firefox profile to keep bookmarks and other stuff, read here please
    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings
    (keeping bookmarks, history, passwords, cookies, form data aso.)
     
  11. Hadron

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    What about saved passwords? Are they still saving? Have any been lost?
     
  12. summerheat

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    Well said :thumb:
     
  13. summerheat

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    The places.sqlite file in your profile folder seems to be damaged. Close FF and delete or rename that file - your bookmarks will be restored from the backup in the bookmarkbackups subfolder. More info about a damaged places.sqlite file can be found here.
     
  14. summerheat

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    That's your opinion. I disagree. FF has never been as stable and fast before as it is now.
     
  15. Pirate_fin

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    I don't save passwords in Firefox.

    I have uninstalled Firefox completely from my machine for now and will install it again this weekend to check if it works normally again.
     
  16. summerheat

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    But unless you delete/rename your profile folder nothing will change as the newly installed FF will re-use the existing profile. Thus I still suggest that you try what I wrote above.
     
  17. mood

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    Plans for collecting of browsing data/telemetry in a "privacy preserving way" (opt-out):
     
  18. Brummelchen

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    @summerheat - doing the parrot? -> #210

    @Pirate_fin - guess why i dont linkt a re-install of firefox because its profile damage?

    you should do what helpers answer and not what you think what might help.
    sounds weird but please only do what other advise otherwise you might run in more trouble.
     
  19. Hadron

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    That's the best thing to do.
    Wait for 59, then install it then.
     
  20. paulderdash

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    FF 57 and WebExtensions is almost worth a new / separate thread ... ?
     
  21. vasa1

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    +1

    I think so too given the massive changes predicted for Fx57
     
  22. paulderdash

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    @summerheat Would you consider this, or do you feel it is sufficiently covered here?
     
  23. summerheat

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    Okay, I'll create a new thread and try to collect useful resources and links.
     
  24. paulderdash

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    Much appreciated!

    I have embarked on the FF 57+ journey, setting up a new FF 55.0.2 profile with (mainly) multiprocess WebExtension add-ons, mainly based on your list above.

    I have a few questions already, but will keep a lookout for the new thread ...
     
  25. Hadron

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