Mozilla/Firebird webbrowsers?

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  1. Comp01

    Comp01 Registered Member

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    Okay, I've been wantng to switch to another webbrowser (To get away from internet explorer) but, I'm wondering how good firebird is? and if anyone has used it? is it worth getting?
     
  2. BWMerlin

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    I have also been wondering this but i was also thinkinh about opera.
     
  3. meneer

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    Dont'wait, move over. Both (Mozilla/Firebird and Opera) are great programs:
    • very fast and stable.
    • they used the tabbed design for even faster switching pages.
    • they have small download sizes.
    At this moment I prefer MozillaFirebird because it's default settings allow more sites with Java and Flash to be visited without tweaking the browser. And it's free :)
     
  4. libbo1

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    firebird is an awsome striped down 'lil hotrod'! I would rec. the new version 0.7, a pre release candidate (for windows). Download and unzip to program files. All u have to do is install flash (very easy).
     

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    Pre-release? no thanks
     
  6. libbo1

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    as Firebird is a Beta program, they are all prereleases! U can choose .6 for .7. Or wait for 1.0 which will be awhile!
     
  7. JayK

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    Well guess what? that's why I don't use Firebird !
     
  8. libbo1

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    Where is the smite button, when you need one? :blink:
     
  9. peakaboo

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    I agree with JayK, until Firebird comes out with version 1.0 or greater, it will not see the light of day on this pc. Same issue with K-Meleon. No reason to volunteer as a beta tester when there are valid alternatives.

    Since installing Opera, I now have no reason to try Firebird or K-Meleon except maybe curiousity (not enough of a reason).

    I have not used IE since loading Opera.

    I switched to Opera, and with the new release 7.2 this little hot rod is smokin. Very fast. Very stable. Any problems I had with version 7.11 have been resolved. Nice little feature: Middle mouse button config to open link in background tab is nice feature, also horiz & vertical scrolling on page with middle mouse click, tabbed browsing, popup control etc.

    Opera tech team and development, if you take the time to research Browser alternatives, you will see their philosophy starts with security in mind.

    See link below. Opera defeats all 10 IE exploits, no extra software needed. No need to keep up with those frequent IE security updates... LOL :)

    http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=11975

    also see how responsive Opera is when security issues are found:

    http://security.greymagic.com/news/

    excerpt from old news dated Feb 4, 2003:

    Opera once again lived up to its excellent response record and released version 7.01, only 5 days after initial notification. The new version appears to fix all of the reported issues. Upgrade as soon as possible.

    latest version is 7.2

    http://www.opera.com/

    decide for yourself :cool:
     
  10. deadmanschest

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    Meneer is absolutely correct....

    To my mind, the latter issue leans the balance in favour of Firebird...and to my mind it is silly to argue or debate the merits of Opera 7.20 vs. Firebird 0.7+ - both are excellent alternatives to IE or any IE clones...

    If you install Firebird w/o the installer it writes almost nothing to the Registry and can be dis-installed by simply deleting the folder. If you want less hassle with plug-ins (and Opera in any version is a hassle with plugins) then you can use the 'unofficial' Firebird installer....

    As I say, the issue is not Opera vs Firebird, its either one as a perfectly good alternative to IE...(which I have just IERadicated again to my great satisfaction.....)

    Get them both, don't be scared off by the <v.1.0 business, if you are reading these forums you can config and run
    Firebird flawlessly....

    dmc
    :)
     
  11. Dan Perez

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    I have to agree with dmc,

    I have had absolutely no problem with Firebird including the sites that Opera seems to have trouble with. It is very easy to install and operate.
     
  12. peakaboo

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    re: alternative browsers Firebird (Opera)

    Both browsers are free, so this is a non issue, and should not tip the scale to Firebird. So you are wrong on this count.

    If the 0.7 version is stable and ready to use why not release it out of beta? Probably a good reason, my guess is it's not ready to be released as a final.

    Just as I would not load or try Opera 7.2b13 on this machine because it was a beta, I would not use Firebird 0.7. This is a personsal preference and not silly at all. The point I was making was unless you know it is a beta 0.anything is beta, it is not very obvious that you are beta testing, and it is not a final version.

    If you don't mind being a beta tester however stable the release is then go for it. :)
     
  13. libbo1

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    I believe the simple question posed by the author of this thread was about Firebird: has anyone used it and is it any good!

    Yes
    Yes

    But no it is not the beta bogey man that will jump outta ur 'puter and knife u!!!

    :D :eek: :-*


    It may or may not be stable on your system (very very unlikely if ur system is less than 3 years old and min 256k ram). It surely wont hurt it. IMHO though is fun to go to each version in development, see and read about the bugs, participate in the reporting process etc... One learns a lot about script, editing files etc. This is not to say u have to do any of that though. You can download unzip and surf dude!!! You dont like it dump it as there are no regis. modifications or leftovers (like my ex-Norton friend)!!

    And lastly, it will be the browser to beat!!! (again IMHO )

    :)
     
  14. peakaboo

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    no matter how you slice it beta is beta...

    individual choice to use beta version as long as one is informed... :cool:
     
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    Firebird here and loving it . Far better for me than IE and also opera)
    Regarding beta and non beta we could look back at windows and say thast it was beta and still is . I dont think that that is a good put down regarding Mozilla-firebird . Mozilla 1.4 is excellent also .
    Some more thoughts from the neighbours http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8045381~root=security,1~mode=flat;start=0
     
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    i'm an opera user but i have used firebird in the past before and it was pretty good. i hear it has only gotten better. and i agree: ANYTHING but IE ;)
     
  17. peakaboo

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    Do you make any secured transactions with Firebird?

    If so are you aware of any security concerns with this browser.

    more opinions:

    http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum21/5818.htm

    http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum21/5909.htm
     
  18. the Tester

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    I use both Opera 7.20 b13(I haven't downloaded the final yet)and Firebird 0.6.1 milestone.

    I have had some Firebird nightlies that crashed.
    They didn't harm my computer.

    The milestone release is the better bet if you want Firebird.Milestones have been stable for me.
    But the point about Firebird being a "beta" is hard to argue/disagree with.It is still being developed.

    I don't think that there really is a "wrong" choice.
    If you're not comfortable with Firebird,you may like the Opera 7.20 final. ;)
    If I had to pick one over the other...
    Firebird.
     
  19. libbo1

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    Do you make any secured transactions with Firebird?
    If so are you aware of any security concerns with this browser?

    Yes

    No not yet. Check the forums. This is a issue that is discussed but as of yet i have not heard anyone post a problem

    http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php
     
  20. peakaboo

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    I ran across this bug tracker for those interested:

    http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=mozilla-firebird

    not much there in terms of serious bugs that I can tell.
     
  21. libbo1

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    yea the basic browser werks well. Most of the complaints are the skins (they call it chrome), and other extensions. I just want a spellchecker like iespell!!!!
     
  22. deadmanschest

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    Hehe, relax a bit peakaboo...

    hi peakaboo - I didn't say ( or intend it to be taken) that 'you were silly' I said, or intended to infer, that the debate in the context of the question asked was silly....

    So you should'nt proceed to state with such conviction that 'I am wrong'. In fact, the 'free-ness' is a non-issue, which is why the 'latter issue' I meant was the extent to which Opera is still incompatible with many sites and especially so with those utilizing Flash and Shockwave....

    Apologizes if you felt upset, not the intent of my comments at all....

    Cheers

    dmc

    :)
     
  23. spydespiser

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    Just this minute finished changing over to Opera 7.1(aint got time for download, my old browser held me up looonng enough!) and from just 10 minutes i know what MS can do with IE :D

    Might send my copy of IE to Mr Blaze to find a good home for cause i know he just lurvs M/soft, :D :D :D
     
  24. peakaboo

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    Re:no sweat deadmanschest...

    dmc,

    no worries M8.

    not upset just clarifying the record as I read your post.

    e.g. this is what was quoted:
    In your response you indicated 2 issues when you invoked the term "latter"

    If you meant former, and posted latter, you can understand how one would misinterpret (from your viewpoint) since only you knew what you meant vs. what you posted. I responded to what you wrote not what you were thinking. :)

    If you can post some of those difficult rendering Java/flash sites you mentioned, I would like to see 1 or 2, so far I have not encountered this issue.

    Also a little off topic, and maybe this would be better for a vulnerabilities page, but I ran across this page at computer cops:

    http://www.computercops.biz/postt5891.html

    would be curious how firebird does against walla...

    don't try it if you have any concerns

    p.s. from Alan Greenspan "if you understand what I said, I misspoke..." :cool:

    I think we are on the same page and can agree on advocating alternatives to IE. Whether it's Firebird, Kameleon, Opera, etc... is a personal preference.
     
  25. BWMerlin

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    Well i think ill give firebird a try, there is only one problem. I dont have a link to dl it from. Could someone plz post the link.
     
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