Moving Beyond EMET II – Windows Defender Exploit Guard

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  1. WildByDesign

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    Moving Beyond EMET II – Windows Defender Exploit Guard
    August 9, 2017


    Link: https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com...eyond-emet-ii-windows-defender-exploit-guard/
     
  2. Krusty

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    I wonder if this will be included in Home Edition? What if we are using a third party AV, will Exploit Guard still work?

    Then there's the compatibility with HMP.A and / or MB 3.x.
     
  3. WildByDesign

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    Yes and Yes. :thumb:
     
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    Cool! Thanks @WildByDesign . :cool:
     
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    But would there not be compatibility issues with HMP.A or MB 3 anti-exploit module?
     
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    I would guess, yes. Sounds like @erikloman and the MB dev's have some work to do. I've already disabled Exploit Protection in MB, not that I allow it to start with Windows these days though.
     
  7. paulderdash

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    I have done the opposite at the moment :). HMP.A has recently been somehow interfering with Windows cumulative updates, and I am also unable to run dism or sfc commands, unless I remove HMP.A.

    So I currently have MB3 set to start with Windows, with MBAE module only (previously I ran MB 3 only as an on-demand scanner, and only because I have a lifetime license). If the Lomans can find the problem, I will revert to HMP.A.

    But I guess I'll just use Exploit Guard when it comes. HMP.A does do extra stuff, and I guess the Lomans will program it to 'work around' Exploit Guard, like they did for MB 3 AE.

    .
     
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  8. Martin_C

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    The direction Microsoft has taken with security in Windows 10 has impressed me, ever since the first beta build of Windows 10 was released years ago.

    But I must say that both the improvements and the new implementations we saw Microsoft doing with Creators Update and now see with Fall Creators Update - it's simply amazing how much power are being added to everything in the entire Windows 10 threat protection stack.

    All the new mitigations with Windows Defender Exploit Guard.
    All the added capabilities in Windows Defender.
    All the improvements to the Microsoft Intelligent Security Graph.
    The Controlled Folder Access.
    The added mitigations and stronger sandboxing of Edge.

    And for enterprise, Windows Defender ATP now integrated into everything in the entire threat protection stack.

    And the list simply goes on and on. Tons more to mention.
    Perfect. :thumb:
     
  9. WildByDesign

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    I have been experimenting with the addition of EMET ROP mitigations in RS3 (Fall Creators Update / 1709) for several weeks now. All of these mitigations are enforced within kernel-mode which is great. Event Viewer has great details on mitigations which helps to track down malicious activities and/or troubleshoot mitigations causing problems.

    Event Viewer:
    Applications and Services Logs > Microsoft > Windows > Security-Mitigations
    From there you have a section for User Mode mitigation events and Kernel Mode mitigation events.

    One of my favourite new(ish) mitigations is the Child Process mitigation. It works great for applications which do not normally spawn child processes.

    My testing so far has been fantastic. My one and only negative takeaway so far is that you cannot apply any of the EMET ROP mitigations from Exploit Guard in RS3 on Google Chrome (Chromium). This is super unfortunate because this is something that we can typically do with the EMET software itself to protect chrome.exe processes. However, EMET applies mitigations differently in comparison to Exploit Guard in RS3. RS3 has all of these mitigations applied in kernel mode, whereas EMET had to use shims to inject the DLL which applied mitigations. So without a doubt, RS3 is doing this much better. The problem here, though, is that these EMET ROP mitigations in RS3 seem to trigger a mitigation which is built into Chrome binary already which is Disable Win32k System Calls. Chrome already has that mitigation built into the binary and is applied by default to many of the chrome.exe child processes such as renderer processes and likely more. Essentially the ones which are in AppContainer.

    I've tried disabling AppContainer for Chromium and even tried manually disabling the Disable Win32k System Calls mitigation for the process but all attempts failed. Therefore I was not able to protect chrome.exe at all with any of these additional EMET ROP mitigations in RS3 which was unfortunate since this is something that we can do with the EMET software itself. However, EMET itself is blocked in RS3. So who knows, maybe this is a good thing and suggests that Chromium's sandbox is so effective that these mitigations fail to apply, I do not know. But I will do more testing over the coming weeks.

    One thing that is fantastic in RS3 is using the built-in PowerShell ProcessMitigations module to import/export the entire IFEO MitigationOptions settings.

    Code:
    Import (add changes to registry):
    Set-ProcessMitigation -PolicyFilePath Settings.xml
    
    Export (backup changes from registry):
    Get-ProcessMitigation -RegistryConfigFilePath Settings.xml

    Below is an example Settings.xml file which can be imported to another machine:
    Code:
    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
    <root>
      <SystemConfig></SystemConfig>
      <AppConfig Executable="BouncerTray.exe">
        <DEP Enable="true" EmulateAtlThunks="false" OverrideDEP="false"></DEP>
        <ASLR Enable="true" ForceRelocateImages="true" OverrideForceRelocateImages="false" BottomUp="true" HighEntropy="true" OverrideBottomUp="false"></ASLR>
        <StrictHandle Enable="true" OverrideStrictHandle="false"></StrictHandle>
        <ExtensionPoints DisableExtensionPoints="true" OverrideExtensionPoint="false"></ExtensionPoints>
        <ControlFlowGuard Enable="true" SuppressExports="false" OverrideCFG="false"></ControlFlowGuard>
        <SignedBinaries MicrosoftSignedOnly="true" AllowStoreSignedBinaries="false" OverrideMicrosoftSignedOnly="false" Audit="false" EnforceModuleDependencySigning="true" OverrideEnforceModuleDependencySigning="false"></SignedBinaries>
        <Fonts DisableNonSystemFonts="true" AuditOnly="false" OverrideFontDisable="false" Audit="false"></Fonts>
        <ImageLoad BlockRemoteImageLoads="true" OverrideBlockRemoteImageLoads="false" BlockLowLabelImageLoads="true" OverrideBlockLowLabel="false" PreferSystem32="true" OverridePreferSystem32="false" AuditRemoteImageLoads="false" AuditLowLabelImageLoads="false"></ImageLoad>
        <Payload EnableExportAddressFilter="true" OverrideExportAddressFilter="false" AuditEnableExportAddressFilter="false" EnableExportAddressFilterPlus="true" OverrideExportAddressFilterPlus="false" AuditEnableExportAddressFilterPlus="false" EnableImportAddressFilter="true" OverrideImportAddressFilter="false" AuditEnableImportAddressFilter="false" EnableRopStackPivot="true" OverrideEnableRopStackPivot="false" AuditEnableRopStackPivot="false" EnableRopCallerCheck="true" OverrideEnableRopCallerCheck="false" AuditEnableRopCallerCheck="false" EnableRopSimExec="true" OverrideEnableRopSimExec="false" AuditEnableRopSimExec="false"></Payload>
        <SEHOP Enable="true" TelemetryOnly="false" OverrideSEHOP="false"></SEHOP>
        <Heap TerminateOnError="true" OverrideHeap="false"></Heap>
      </AppConfig>
      <AppConfig Executable="chrome.exe">
        <DEP Enable="true" EmulateAtlThunks="false" OverrideDEP="false"></DEP>
        <ASLR Enable="true" ForceRelocateImages="true" OverrideForceRelocateImages="false" BottomUp="true" HighEntropy="true" OverrideBottomUp="false"></ASLR>
        <StrictHandle Enable="true" OverrideStrictHandle="false"></StrictHandle>
        <ExtensionPoints DisableExtensionPoints="true" OverrideExtensionPoint="false"></ExtensionPoints>
        <ControlFlowGuard Enable="true" SuppressExports="false" OverrideCFG="false"></ControlFlowGuard>
        <SignedBinaries EnforceModuleDependencySigning="true" OverrideEnforceModuleDependencySigning="false"></SignedBinaries>
        <ImageLoad BlockRemoteImageLoads="true" OverrideBlockRemoteImageLoads="false" BlockLowLabelImageLoads="true" OverrideBlockLowLabel="false" PreferSystem32="true" OverridePreferSystem32="false" AuditRemoteImageLoads="false" AuditLowLabelImageLoads="false"></ImageLoad>
        <SEHOP Enable="true" TelemetryOnly="false" OverrideSEHOP="false"></SEHOP>
        <Heap TerminateOnError="true" OverrideHeap="false"></Heap>
      </AppConfig>
      <AppConfig Executable="EXCELC.EXE">
        <DEP Enable="true" EmulateAtlThunks="false" OverrideDEP="false"></DEP>
        <ASLR Enable="true" ForceRelocateImages="true" OverrideForceRelocateImages="false" BottomUp="true" HighEntropy="true" OverrideBottomUp="false"></ASLR>
        <ExtensionPoints DisableExtensionPoints="true" OverrideExtensionPoint="false"></ExtensionPoints>
        <ControlFlowGuard Enable="true" SuppressExports="false" OverrideCFG="false"></ControlFlowGuard>
        <SignedBinaries MicrosoftSignedOnly="true" AllowStoreSignedBinaries="false" OverrideMicrosoftSignedOnly="false" Audit="false"></SignedBinaries>
        <ImageLoad BlockRemoteImageLoads="true" OverrideBlockRemoteImageLoads="false" BlockLowLabelImageLoads="true" OverrideBlockLowLabel="false" PreferSystem32="true" OverridePreferSystem32="false" AuditRemoteImageLoads="false" AuditLowLabelImageLoads="false"></ImageLoad>
        <Payload EnableExportAddressFilter="true" OverrideExportAddressFilter="false" AuditEnableExportAddressFilter="false" EnableExportAddressFilterPlus="true" OverrideExportAddressFilterPlus="false" AuditEnableExportAddressFilterPlus="false" EnableImportAddressFilter="true" OverrideImportAddressFilter="false" AuditEnableImportAddressFilter="false" EnableRopStackPivot="true" OverrideEnableRopStackPivot="false" AuditEnableRopStackPivot="false" EnableRopCallerCheck="true" OverrideEnableRopCallerCheck="false" AuditEnableRopCallerCheck="false" EnableRopSimExec="true" OverrideEnableRopSimExec="false" AuditEnableRopSimExec="false"></Payload>
        <SEHOP Enable="true" TelemetryOnly="false" OverrideSEHOP="false"></SEHOP>
        <Heap TerminateOnError="true" OverrideHeap="false"></Heap>
      </AppConfig>
      <AppConfig Executable="iexplore.exe">
        <ASLR Enable="false" ForceRelocateImages="false" OverrideForceRelocateImages="false"></ASLR>
      </AppConfig>
      <AppConfig Executable="KeePass.exe">
        <DEP Enable="true" EmulateAtlThunks="false" OverrideDEP="false"></DEP>
        <ASLR Enable="true" ForceRelocateImages="true" OverrideForceRelocateImages="false" BottomUp="true" HighEntropy="true" OverrideBottomUp="false"></ASLR>
        <StrictHandle Enable="true" OverrideStrictHandle="false"></StrictHandle>
        <ExtensionPoints DisableExtensionPoints="true" OverrideExtensionPoint="false"></ExtensionPoints>
        <ControlFlowGuard Enable="true" SuppressExports="false" OverrideCFG="false"></ControlFlowGuard>
        <SignedBinaries EnforceModuleDependencySigning="true" OverrideEnforceModuleDependencySigning="false"></SignedBinaries>
        <Fonts DisableNonSystemFonts="true" AuditOnly="false" OverrideFontDisable="false" Audit="false"></Fonts>
        <ImageLoad BlockRemoteImageLoads="true" OverrideBlockRemoteImageLoads="false" BlockLowLabelImageLoads="true" OverrideBlockLowLabel="false" PreferSystem32="true" OverridePreferSystem32="false" AuditRemoteImageLoads="false" AuditLowLabelImageLoads="false"></ImageLoad>
        <Payload EnableExportAddressFilter="true" OverrideExportAddressFilter="false" AuditEnableExportAddressFilter="false" EnableExportAddressFilterPlus="true" OverrideExportAddressFilterPlus="false" AuditEnableExportAddressFilterPlus="false" EnableImportAddressFilter="true" OverrideImportAddressFilter="false" AuditEnableImportAddressFilter="false" EnableRopStackPivot="true" OverrideEnableRopStackPivot="false" AuditEnableRopStackPivot="false" EnableRopCallerCheck="true" OverrideEnableRopCallerCheck="false" AuditEnableRopCallerCheck="false" EnableRopSimExec="true" OverrideEnableRopSimExec="false" AuditEnableRopSimExec="false"></Payload>
        <SEHOP Enable="true" TelemetryOnly="false" OverrideSEHOP="false"></SEHOP>
        <Heap TerminateOnError="true" OverrideHeap="false"></Heap>
        <ChildProcess DisallowChildProcessCreation="true" OverrideChildProcess="false" Audit="false"></ChildProcess>
      </AppConfig>
      <AppConfig Executable="mscorsvw.exe">
        <ExtensionPoints DisableExtensionPoints="true" OverrideExtensionPoint="false"></ExtensionPoints>
      </AppConfig>
      <AppConfig Executable="ngen.exe">
        <ExtensionPoints DisableExtensionPoints="true" OverrideExtensionPoint="false"></ExtensionPoints>
      </AppConfig>
      <AppConfig Executable="ngentask.exe">
        <ExtensionPoints DisableExtensionPoints="true" OverrideExtensionPoint="false"></ExtensionPoints>
      </AppConfig>
      <AppConfig Executable="PresentationHost.exe">
        <DEP Enable="true" EmulateAtlThunks="false" OverrideDEP="false"></DEP>
        <ASLR Enable="true" ForceRelocateImages="false" OverrideForceRelocateImages="false" BottomUp="true" HighEntropy="true" OverrideBottomUp="false"></ASLR>
        <SEHOP Enable="true" TelemetryOnly="false" OverrideSEHOP="false"></SEHOP>
        <Heap TerminateOnError="true" OverrideHeap="false"></Heap>
      </AppConfig>
      <AppConfig Executable="PrintDialog.exe">
        <ExtensionPoints DisableExtensionPoints="true" OverrideExtensionPoint="false"></ExtensionPoints>
      </AppConfig>
      <AppConfig Executable="runtimebroker.exe">
        <ExtensionPoints DisableExtensionPoints="true" OverrideExtensionPoint="false"></ExtensionPoints>
      </AppConfig>
      <AppConfig Executable="svchost.exe"></AppConfig>
      <AppConfig Executable="SystemSettings.exe">
        <ExtensionPoints DisableExtensionPoints="true" OverrideExtensionPoint="false"></ExtensionPoints>
      </AppConfig>
      <AppConfig Executable="thunderbird.exe">
        <DEP Enable="true" EmulateAtlThunks="false" OverrideDEP="false"></DEP>
        <ASLR Enable="true" ForceRelocateImages="true" OverrideForceRelocateImages="false" BottomUp="true" HighEntropy="true" OverrideBottomUp="false"></ASLR>
        <StrictHandle Enable="true" OverrideStrictHandle="false"></StrictHandle>
        <ExtensionPoints DisableExtensionPoints="true" OverrideExtensionPoint="false"></ExtensionPoints>
        <ControlFlowGuard Enable="true" SuppressExports="false" OverrideCFG="false"></ControlFlowGuard>
        <SignedBinaries EnforceModuleDependencySigning="true" OverrideEnforceModuleDependencySigning="false"></SignedBinaries>
        <Fonts DisableNonSystemFonts="true" AuditOnly="false" OverrideFontDisable="false" Audit="false"></Fonts>
        <ImageLoad BlockRemoteImageLoads="true" OverrideBlockRemoteImageLoads="false" BlockLowLabelImageLoads="true" OverrideBlockLowLabel="false" PreferSystem32="true" OverridePreferSystem32="false" AuditRemoteImageLoads="false" AuditLowLabelImageLoads="false"></ImageLoad>
        <Payload EnableExportAddressFilter="true" OverrideExportAddressFilter="false" AuditEnableExportAddressFilter="false" EnableExportAddressFilterPlus="true" OverrideExportAddressFilterPlus="false" AuditEnableExportAddressFilterPlus="false" EnableImportAddressFilter="true" OverrideImportAddressFilter="false" AuditEnableImportAddressFilter="false" EnableRopStackPivot="true" OverrideEnableRopStackPivot="false" AuditEnableRopStackPivot="false" EnableRopCallerCheck="true" OverrideEnableRopCallerCheck="false" AuditEnableRopCallerCheck="false" EnableRopSimExec="true" OverrideEnableRopSimExec="false" AuditEnableRopSimExec="false"></Payload>
        <SEHOP Enable="true" TelemetryOnly="false" OverrideSEHOP="false"></SEHOP>
        <Heap TerminateOnError="true" OverrideHeap="false"></Heap>
        <ChildProcess DisallowChildProcessCreation="true" OverrideChildProcess="false" Audit="false"></ChildProcess>
      </AppConfig>
      <AppConfig Executable="Tray.exe">
        <DEP Enable="true" EmulateAtlThunks="false" OverrideDEP="false"></DEP>
        <ASLR Enable="true" ForceRelocateImages="true" OverrideForceRelocateImages="false" BottomUp="true" HighEntropy="true" OverrideBottomUp="false"></ASLR>
        <StrictHandle Enable="true" OverrideStrictHandle="false"></StrictHandle>
        <ExtensionPoints DisableExtensionPoints="true" OverrideExtensionPoint="false"></ExtensionPoints>
        <ControlFlowGuard Enable="true" SuppressExports="false" OverrideCFG="false"></ControlFlowGuard>
        <SignedBinaries MicrosoftSignedOnly="true" AllowStoreSignedBinaries="false" OverrideMicrosoftSignedOnly="false" Audit="false" EnforceModuleDependencySigning="true" OverrideEnforceModuleDependencySigning="false"></SignedBinaries>
        <Fonts DisableNonSystemFonts="true" AuditOnly="false" OverrideFontDisable="false" Audit="false"></Fonts>
        <ImageLoad BlockRemoteImageLoads="true" OverrideBlockRemoteImageLoads="false" BlockLowLabelImageLoads="true" OverrideBlockLowLabel="false" PreferSystem32="true" OverridePreferSystem32="false" AuditRemoteImageLoads="false" AuditLowLabelImageLoads="false"></ImageLoad>
        <Payload EnableExportAddressFilter="true" OverrideExportAddressFilter="false" AuditEnableExportAddressFilter="false" EnableExportAddressFilterPlus="true" OverrideExportAddressFilterPlus="false" AuditEnableExportAddressFilterPlus="false" EnableImportAddressFilter="true" OverrideImportAddressFilter="false" AuditEnableImportAddressFilter="false" EnableRopStackPivot="true" OverrideEnableRopStackPivot="false" AuditEnableRopStackPivot="false" EnableRopCallerCheck="true" OverrideEnableRopCallerCheck="false" AuditEnableRopCallerCheck="false" EnableRopSimExec="true" OverrideEnableRopSimExec="false" AuditEnableRopSimExec="false"></Payload>
        <SEHOP Enable="true" TelemetryOnly="false" OverrideSEHOP="false"></SEHOP>
        <Heap TerminateOnError="true" OverrideHeap="false"></Heap>
      </AppConfig>
      <AppConfig Executable="WINWORDC.EXE">
        <DEP Enable="true" EmulateAtlThunks="false" OverrideDEP="false"></DEP>
        <ASLR Enable="true" ForceRelocateImages="true" OverrideForceRelocateImages="false" BottomUp="true" HighEntropy="true" OverrideBottomUp="false"></ASLR>
        <ExtensionPoints DisableExtensionPoints="true" OverrideExtensionPoint="false"></ExtensionPoints>
        <ControlFlowGuard Enable="true" SuppressExports="false" OverrideCFG="false"></ControlFlowGuard>
        <SignedBinaries MicrosoftSignedOnly="true" AllowStoreSignedBinaries="false" OverrideMicrosoftSignedOnly="false" Audit="false"></SignedBinaries>
        <ImageLoad BlockRemoteImageLoads="true" OverrideBlockRemoteImageLoads="false" BlockLowLabelImageLoads="true" OverrideBlockLowLabel="false" PreferSystem32="true" OverridePreferSystem32="false" AuditRemoteImageLoads="false" AuditLowLabelImageLoads="false"></ImageLoad>
        <Payload EnableExportAddressFilter="true" OverrideExportAddressFilter="false" AuditEnableExportAddressFilter="false" EnableExportAddressFilterPlus="true" OverrideExportAddressFilterPlus="false" AuditEnableExportAddressFilterPlus="false" EnableImportAddressFilter="true" OverrideImportAddressFilter="false" AuditEnableImportAddressFilter="false" EnableRopStackPivot="true" OverrideEnableRopStackPivot="false" AuditEnableRopStackPivot="false" EnableRopCallerCheck="true" OverrideEnableRopCallerCheck="false" AuditEnableRopCallerCheck="false" EnableRopSimExec="true" OverrideEnableRopSimExec="false" AuditEnableRopSimExec="false"></Payload>
        <SEHOP Enable="true" TelemetryOnly="false" OverrideSEHOP="false"></SEHOP>
        <Heap TerminateOnError="true" OverrideHeap="false"></Heap>
      </AppConfig>
    </root>
     
  10. boredog

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    I knew I had it but until you posted the even viewer info < I had not checked out much except the controlled folders option.

    looks like there s some conflict with Malwarebytes AE.
    I am posting ScreenHunter_84 Sep. 21 09.18.jpg a screen shot of Kernel logs.
     
  11. mood

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    This is expected.
    It seems you are protecting Microsoft Edge with MBAE and it wants to inject the file "mbae64.dll".
    The native protection of Windows "Exploit Guard" is preventing the injection of the "non-Microsoft-signed binary".
     
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    I disabled MBAE for now;)
     
  13. Sampei Nihira

    Sampei Nihira Registered Member

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    Hi WildByDesign.
    Is possible have a result at the Exploit Test Tool (HPA3)
    TH.


    I did the Test
    Little satisfaction.:(

    ______________________________________

    Enabled Chrome Anti-Exploit Protection.


    :):thumb:
     
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  14. Sampei Nihira

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    Hi.
    My Chrome Anti-Exploit Protection:


    @ WildByDesign

    you have also included the mitigation under:


    <SignedBinaries EnforceModuleDependencySigning="true" OverrideEnforceModuleDependencySigning="false"></SignedBinaries>
    <ImageLoad BlockRemoteImageLoads="true" OverrideBlockRemoteImageLoads="false" BlockLowLabelImageLoads="true" OverrideBlockLowLabel="false" PreferSystem32="true" OverridePreferSystem32="false" AuditRemoteImageLoads="false" AuditLowLabelImageLoads="false"></ImageLoad>

    Can you explain?
    TH.
     
  15. shadek

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    What do I do wrong?

    Trying to import your settings by typing this in powershell (admin):

    Set-ProcessMitigation - C:\Users\XXX\Desktop test.xml

    I get this message:

    Set-ProcessMitigation : A positional parameter cannot be found that accepts argument 'C:\Users\XXX\Desktop'.
    At line:1 char:1
    + Set-ProcessMitigation - C:\Users\XXX\Desktop test.xml
    + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    + CategoryInfo : InvalidArgument: :)) [Set-ProcessMitigation], ParameterBindingException
    + FullyQualifiedErrorId : PositionalParameterNotFound,Microsoft.Samples.PowerShell.Commands.SetProcessMitigationsC
    ommand
     
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  16. mood

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    Try this:
    Code:
    Example for Export:
    Get-ProcessMitigation -RegistryConfigFilePath C:\Users\XXX\Desktop\export.xml
    Example for Import:
    Set-ProcessMitigation -PolicyFilePath C:\Users\XXX\Desktop\test.xml
     
  17. shadek

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    Thank you! Working so much better now. :) Also @WildByDesign, thank you for the Chrome/Word/Excel anti-exploit settings! I assume you added all possible exploit protection without breaking any functionality!
     
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  18. Sampei Nihira

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    Chrome:

    http://sendvid.com/gcftah7j
     
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