Microsoft’s new small print – how your personal data is [ab]used

Discussion in 'privacy general' started by Nanobot, Jul 29, 2015.

  1. Nanobot

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    .... https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/

    Welcome to the New Microsoft.
     
  2. Snoop3

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    LOL, so perhaps it's best not to upgrade to Win 10. I'm getting tired of this tracking nonsense.
     
  4. Martin_C

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    You certainly has been busy today trying to spin a story.
    This ain't the first place this popped up.

    Don't believe everything you read from every little tech-"journalist"

    You can disable it in settings if you like.
    It's very granular.

    It's faster to disable those settings, than to post horror stories.
     
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    thats the way it starts - first you can disable it. and people like you will claim that anyone who protest is unreasonable.
    i think the goal is for gen public to understand that someone else owns the internet (big business and govt) and you have no right to privacy or anonymity.
     
  6. PallMall

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    Typical, relevant of the Web business : privacy features are accessible but off by default, which means you have to opt-out to protect yourself from indiscretion when it should be the other way around. But who would opt-in to show his underwear?
    Since this New Microsoft feature is opt-out as always newbies -- the majority of users -- will have one more tracker behind them. One more, one less...
     
  7. TheWindBringeth

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    Could someone please elaborate on the "It's very granular" comment above? I can't remember the context, but I recall seeing a screencap that showed there is an on/off switch for the Advertising ID. Can you also enable|disable it on a per-app basis? If the latter, is that only for "Windows apps" or can it also be done for desktop applications as well?

    FWIW, I think this is the API documentation and there are a couple of things in there that some people would want to know: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/li....userprofile.advertisingmanager.advertisingid
     
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    I suppose you're one of the countless MS shills that lurks everywhere these days or just another deranged fanboy (your first lengthy post on windows defender speak volumes)

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    the author's opinion here:

    dont be surprised if linux is not far behind since ubuntu already went there. probably there would be a few holdouts but eventually most OSes will be harvesting and selling your profile data - or making it easier for others to do so, much like a browser.

    i wonder if their new "Privacy" policy applies to Win7 also.
     
  11. Joxx

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    Apart from the selling of our data for commercial purposes there's the far graver issue of sharing it with official agencies.
    In this regard the Cortana component is a dirty snooper disguised in erotic clothing; and Microsoft is becoming more and more of a trojan horse into our liberty.
    We're living interesting times indeed.
     
  12. Rolo42

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    It isn't new and the article isn't even accurate. BL key backup to MSA is an option.
    Advertising ID...everybody uses that...so what.
    Cortana...pretty useless if it doesn't figure out what you're interested in, where you are, etc. It's Google Now but a few years ago. That's like complaining that your GPS navigation system is spying on your location OMG! someone should do something about that.

    They sell analytics. Everybody sells analytics. That is not synonymous with your PII or your private files.

    They need to write 45 pages of legalese because people think inconsequential-but-relevant usage data (not users' personal information) is some personal affront to liberty. (Liberty? Really? I can't see the impediment there.)
     
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    Free:p I was theorizing this very concept 6 months ago, but I was a "tin hat" conspirator who couldn't swallow the idea that MS wouldn't go this route or any similar advertising route. It starts simple and then snowballs, I get it and I don't fault them to a degree, I mean its business; the bottom line is to make money, but I fear the day that the desktop becomes a billboard for flyouts about apps and other ads that are "just for me". Still have 4 years of 7, but may still convert an old laptop and play with it for the next few years to keep an eye on the transition, especially once all the upgrades are finalized and locked in so to speak.
     
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    No, they need to write those 45 pages in order to be able to invade your privacy legally. (you are right here, it is more about privacy than liberty, but that doesn't make Microsoft a better company).
     
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    That's my concern as well. The flyovers that adblockers don't stop are about making me want a text-only browser!
     
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    They can sell all the analytics that they want. And we can choose options with less of that, and render the rest useless through blocking, evasion and compartmentalization. I use Google, because it provides the best results. But I only use it through Disconnect, and through VPNs and/or Tor when I care about privacy. I use Windows when necessary. But I don't use copies linked to me, and I always use them through VPNs and/or Tor.
    Metadata is data too! That might be websites that I access, apps that I use, names of files. That's all PII, in my opinion.
    Users of interest can be targeted through metadata. That can lead to censorship and/or persecution. And even the awareness of data collection can lead to self-censorship and playing it safe. All of that is an affront to liberty!
     
  18. Joxx

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    It's the same Nebulus, doesn't History teaches us anything?... apparently no
     
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    With the risk of turning this subject off-topic, IMO liberty includes privacy, but they are not the same (i.e. if you have true liberty, you have the freedom to do private things too, but if you have only privacy, that doesn't mean you are free). So probably I didn't use the proper words in the post you quoted, but that is what I wanted to say.
     
  20. Joxx

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    It starts with privacy, it always starts with privacy...
    That's why this Win10 is so worrying, and that's why they're shoving it down our throats... this free upgrades, the integrated mail and onedrive, Microsoft account, Cortana... everything points to data collecting, profiling. This is not only a commercial strategy, not even mainly that, this is Big Brother on a huge scale; and as always it's for our own good, to make life easier for us... just like the cashless society, to make life easier...
     
  21. PallMall

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    Seeing Big Brother everywhere integrates well in a conspiratorial vision of the world, which is not mine even if I can imagine bridges established between data and state intelligence on specific situations : we are hundreds of millions to connect to the Web, "garbage" is a known problem for all data agencies ("garbage" being what makes 99.99% of the lives of 99.99% of us, that is : of no interest for Big Brothers). I'd rather consider what is closer to us, that is commercial management of personal data for targeted advertizement.

    Thinking about it, if -- IF -- I was to be followed by big ears, I'd prefer them to belong to a shaved listener rather than by a bearded man. If you see (I doubt we see them!) what I mean, brothers :)
     
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    http://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/30/windows-10-and-privacy/
     
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    thanks dermot for that link above

    I know we could all debate Windows 10 privacy for another 10 years on here but as much tweeks, reg fixes or patches or settings as much as we can do to switch it off may help or may not! I would rather do as much as can be done.

    Another guide here:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3f38ed/guide_how_to_disable_data_logging_in_w10/

    Seems only Windows 10 enterprise edition will allow you to really switch off data collecting services though.....

    Hopefully more people complain to MS about these updated privacy conditions and we get more off then on in the future, guess you can't trust anyone or anything so VPNs, FDE encryptions and with plausible deniability, isolation ie Sandbox or VMs are still important to help in protecting our privacy and more importantly our heads!
     
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    What's with this? Does this mean they can look at my personal doc and txt and jpg files? That's downright scary. Makes me not want to put a windows 10 system on the internet.

    "We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to”, for example, “protect their customers” or “enforce the terms governing the use of the services."
     
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    http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...faces-criticism-over-privacy-default-settings
     
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