Microsoft to miss 'one billion' Windows 10 target

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  1. Krusty

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36824687
     
  2. Minimalist

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    After ending free upgrade adoption rate will rise even slower. Most people will use Windows 10 after they buy new computers. PC sales are declining so it will take them long before they get to 1 bn users.
     
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    If the OS wasn't full of spying features and wasn't being shoved on people's throats with forced upgrades, I'm sure they would've surpassed that mark by now.
    But gladly, Microsoft's CEO and investors aren't that smart.
     
  5. wildman

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    No Windows7 updates, slower than hell check for updates and obvious silly games they were playing and for that matter still are. No wonder they missed the target. I've been on Linux Mint since 05/08/2016 and while I do still have Windows7 on my machine I use it less and less. I will never install Windows10 and quiet never a Microsoft operating system again.
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  6. Kerodo

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    @wildman That's pretty much how I feel, although I am still currently on 7, I have been more and more likely to move to Mint myself soon if 7 turns out to be too much trouble. I actually tried to install the Anniversary Update of 10 from ISO (clean install) and it was a total disaster on my machine. I will never use or buy a Win 10 machine ever again. I'm done too.
     
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    Not going to be a W10 user ANY time soon, after support stops for 7 I'll hunt for a W8.1 and run that till death.
     
  8. Osaban

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    It is clear that most people like to hang on to their favorite OS no matter what. Win 10 being offered free for the first time from MS, I would have thought it would be at least as popular as Win 7 by now.

    Statistics speak clearly, the inevitable issues involved with changing an OS (peripherals issues, conflicts, AVs suddenly disabled etc...) with the most likely outcome being a visit to the local repair shop (not free in most cases), a long learning curve with the new OS (especially moving from Win 7 to Win 10) will make a lot of people cringe at the idea.

    I don't think privacy is the real motivation in avoiding Win 10, otherwise Facebook wouldn't have the huge success it is enjoying. By all means there are privacy issues with Win 10, but they are only obvious to advanced users who are most likely security buffs like Wilders members.

    Last but not least MS is waging a war with the smart phone business which is dominated by Android and Apple.
     
  9. TS4H

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    My experience with windows 10 has been generally bad. Upgrade from W7 had it issues,

    https://www.wilderssecurity.com/thre...-boot-manager-after-windows-7-upgrade.378878/

    and Windows 10 has continued that tradition.

    Tried upgrade via windows update. Failed
    Using media creation tool live update. Failed.
    Using iso during boot. Failed. "error blah blah secure boot" on a motherboard that is with legacy bios 10 years old.

    Format hard drive and install windows. Success.
    Screwed with linux partition.

    Boot macrium and restore linux partitions.
    Windows fails to boot obviously.
    Using Windows ISO to fix boot problems. Failed.

    Completely format hard drive using Gparted live.
    Reinstall windows Success. Boots. Success.
    Boot live media of Linux and reinstall Linux.
    Recover linux home partition.

    Seriously what a joke. This over sensitive OS is pathetic.

    In the end why did I bother? To use an operating system because that is the norm? Linux has everything one needs.

    In my experience of upgrading a few other PC's for family. No issues. My pc is the only one that is tinkered with, via Group Policy, Reg tweaks, services, privacy settings etc. If your system is not at default settings you will pay.

    I find I cannot control Windows 10. To rephrase, I cannot trust it to behave like i want it to, to abide by my privacy wishes. It all seems well till a major upgrade, even some KB's Failed on many occasions.

    Simply cannot trust it.

    Windows 2 | User 0 :mad:

    When it finally worked I watched the start menu fill with more crap, apps and games and recommended apps. I uninstall them all, change configurations to stop displaying recommended apps, auto update/download of apps etc. MS office is spread throughout the startmenu. A for Access W for Word. One on the top one on the bottom. Why cant we have it categorised? MS office>one location

    I have lost patients and most importantly trust in this OS. The good old days of simplicity. XP and Windows 7. Just worked without all the crap that it comes bundled with.

    The reliability of Linux is much more attractive. It just works and works well.

    Linux is my default OS to boot in grub, and have been using windows increasingly less. I went without using windows for two months. I turn it on and have a long list of windows updates that took an hour to download with a forced reboot when i was working at 3am. For **** sakes at least prompt me or give a warning that it will be a forced reboot in 15 minutes.

    Anyway, im sure many of you can relate and share my point of view.

    I think Windows will never booted again.
     
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    I have Win 7, and it is supported until 2020. Sometime in that period I will move over to Linux Mint, although I suppose I will have to buy a Windows 10 (11? 14? 18?) computer to install it on. Windows 10 has convinced me to make the move I have thunk of making for some time now.
     
  11. NormanF

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    If Microsoft doesn't offer an LTS Windows 10, I'm staying put.

    I don't want to have to upgrade every few months. Most of us want a reliable and stable OS for the long term.

    Let's hope someone in Redmond is listening.
     
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    Isn't that the whole point of 10? Last M$ OS ever (their words). So will the LTS be free or paid? I say pay to play.
     
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    I agree. I have no trouble paying for LTSB. But right now there is no LTSB for end users. I also hope that they will release it, but I highly doubt it.
     
  14. HAN

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    I don't game. I mostly use my PC for photo and media file management/data backups. My "need" for Windows has pretty much melted away. And MS's treatment of their users is something I no longer wish to be subjected to. So, at home, my Win 7 PC is my last Microsoft machine. I'll be either Mac or Linux (or both) in the next year or so.
     
  15. Osaban

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    I'm not a gamer too, and I also use my computer mainly for photo and media file management, but please explain how MS through Windows 10 has been mistreating its users... By all means I'm not challenging your stand, just for the sake of the argument...
     
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    By default Windows 10 is just bad, I mean really bad, after some customization, it is comparable to 7 or 8.1. Just for example, by default my browser started for about 15 seconds, after applying tweaks, it starts within 2 seconds with AV running (cold start, 1 second on mine), pretty impressive. :cool:

    10 is mainly designed for mobile market (touch devices), desktop is just a side show and the percentage of users keeps dropping each year.

    Indeed. It all comes down to the lack of control. MS decided, that users are too stupid to control vital part of Windows, so it restricted them.
    Very well, I can understand, that Windows updates are necessary to keep Windows working, especially since it is the last Windows, but.
    But MS is taking away control even from Pro, if you apply some settings, you do not know, if they work or not, like Windows Updates.
    Not to mention subscription, MS fanboys said, that it is lie, now it is in Enterprise and the task is ready in other versions too. :shifty:
     
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    The Win 10 update process and the logging/reporting of user interaction with their machine. If you were a typical, casual user, you had Win 10 installed, even if you didn't want it. This happened thousands of times. (The update pop up that still installed even if you hit the "X" was especially vile.) And the amount of user tracking that is enabled by default is not reasonable. They did/do not need to do this to market/develop their product (Win 10.) Make a good product and the purchasers will come. Thus the reason I still use Win 7. It stands on it's own without the aggressive marketing and post installation tracking...
     
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    Don't be surprised if Microsoft charges a monthly fee to keep Windows10 and future Microsoft operating systems functioning in the near future. Also don't be surprised if more and more programs become non compatible with the future Microsoft operating systems. Nope Microsoft is no longer trust worthy IMO and thus I will not be using any of it's products in the future. I hope a Microsoft representative is reading these posts.
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  19. NormanF

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    Microsoft may make Windows 10 free - I would like to see an LTS version of Windows 10 made permanently free.

    For those who want the latest and greatest, Microsoft could charge for a rolling release Windows 10 to cover the cost of rapid updates.
     
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    I agree mostly. Be we are 0.000000000000001% of M$ users. So they don't give .....
     
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    Precisely. The lack of control in the pro version even the enterprise version must be frustrating for many. Is it so hard to have;
    • Home version free, user rights are abused, fully automated and MS taking care of everything
    • Pro version paid, no pre installed apps, recommended apps, and auto installed apps, no telemetry, outbound firewall filtering
    • Enterprise version paid, same as pro with native os virtualisation with full integration to cloud services and technologies such as remote processing
    • Education subscription
    • Mobile, tablet. etc
    Distinct versions all targeting the best experience available for those environments

    Everyone is happy and we don't end up with a conglomerate of so called features and functions that serve no purpose but to confuse the simple home user. Industry professionals will be easily able to maintain and control their environments such as servers. Win 10 also does not work correctly on every single operating platform. 1 size does not fit all, and by "simplifying down" we end up with more issues they intended to solve. We and them are on totally separate pages. They had no reason to change what worked perfectly for all these decades. They dominated the market all this time. They will never be more than a desktop OS, the mobile market is already dominated by others.

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  22. TS4H

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    To me it is a matter of choice, or lack off to be more accurate.They have taken away my choice if i want to be used as statistical mule, and have assumed i am a mule and a user who wants to hold the hand of big brother :rolleyes:

    So in the end what have they gained?

    99% will abide and they have forced the hand of the remaining.

    PS - I dont mean to call anyone who uses Windows a mule - just a figure of expression. :D
     
  23. NormanF

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    Canonical has two versions of Ubuntu. The company understands one size fits all doesn't work.

    For most people, LTS is perfect. For those who want more, a rolling release version is available as well.

    Microsoft put every one on rolling release in Windows when most people would be fine with LTS.
     
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    :D :argh:
     
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