Methodology of testing

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  1. claudiu

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  2. fax

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    Yes, as you can see the text does not fit very well with the design of WSA.
    Once more, there is nothing worst than a person that does not listen.:)

    Why keep opening new threats on the same test? Weird, almost an obsession... kind of scaring :blink:
     
  3. Techfox1976

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    WSA does clearly list "Internet access" as a system requirement, so they are clear that it's a requirement for the software to operate properly.
     
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    1: Install AVG on your new PC: In this case you have a loss of internet connection so you will be unable to download the further 50 Meg of updates required to get version 2013 current (this was a week after 2013 was released) - Do a scan, as you have not downloaded the 50 meg of updates so you will not have the latest definitions - Then follow step 4 - What will happen?

    2: Install AVG: Half way through downloading the definitions you lose connection at the fictitious airport we keep hearing about but as you are about to board your flight so you only have half your definitions - Then follow step 4 - What will happen?

    3. You have AVG installed but it hasn't updated for 3 days as you have had an internet outage caused by me not bothering to do my job properly & forgetting to reconnect something, or while waiting at the airport there was a two day flight delay & you can't get a wireless connection at the airport & AVG hasn't updated for 2 days or more - Then follow step 4 - What will happen?

    4: Put a USB stick in the PC above that has some dodgy files on it downloaded today from a friend you meet at the airport you keep ranting on about but he who never bothers to update his/her AV OR who has a really bad connection or intermittent connection but uses AVG/WSA OR lived though stage 3 (see above) OR just don't bother (unbeknown to you) to use AV at all & gets all his software for bugger all from a friend of a friend - Then go board a plane to Yokohama & install the aforesaid program while flying along happily along for 12 hours - In this case it's a dodgy Office 2013 (unknown to you) with over 400 meg of virus filled files - While flying along you decide to install Office & then do loads of important work & edit vital spreadsheets for the customer in Japan & finalise your lifetimes work the 1500 page book (only copy) of your memoirs (you also have no back-up's whatsoever & have no PC images as you are clever & clever (smart) people never do things like that) - (See you last post) - What will happen?

    5. You are normal & have a decent internet connection, you drive to the airport but as there is a wireless connection you check your mail board a plane a edit a few files on your PC or watch a film on the seat in front of you & or have a sleep as I do - You live happily ever after.

    6. You invent ideas that may never happen & plague (what were) normal people who have internet connections that work & they all club together to refund the 5 year plan of WSA you foolishly bought despite the 30 day trial, & most people at the forum go totally mad & give up ever looking at a PC again lest a certain person posts about a 200 day flight to who knows where a person gets infected by looking at a film (and uses WSA) via an infected file in a USB stick - Please, please PM me your address & tomorrow I will post you via airmail a 3 PC copy of NIS shrink wrapped if you leave the flight theory alone.
     
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  5. claudiu

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    Eh, sometimes I get scared myself:D :D :D

    In Aug 2012 I had a chat with Kit, moderator on Webroot; my concern:

    " I set up my firewall to "block all" and I did a context scan with WSA on a known infected file

    Did I get a warning about lack of comunication with the cloud? NO.WSA just nicely scanned, like nothing happened ,and declared the file "Clean"; I enabled the firewall back, scann again and voila "Infected"

    So how is WSA monitoring the communication with the cloud to ensure the eficiency you are talking abouto_O Well , it seems like there is no answer to this and a resident signature database is more reliable than one "in the cloud".


    So according to AV Comparatives, vendors of cloud based AV's should make shure that users are warned in case that the conectivity to the cloud gets lost.

    Something you may want to consider before choosing your security solution.

    Thanks,
    Claudiu
     
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  6. Triple Helix

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    Again claudiu your just bashing WSA and nothing real or new to say if you don't like WSA move on you do have a choice! Also you did say:
    and you keep starting new threads with the same questions again and again so you had your say and still the same replies from PrevxHelp and members so please move on there is no benefit continuing for anyone!

    Thanks,

    TH
     
  7. The Red Moon

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    Ive not tried webroot yet and if/when i get to install i shall see for myself how well it works.I dont allow good or bad comments cloud my decision at all.

    @Claudiu.I fail to see the reason why you browse a forum of an AV you clearly do not like.:eek:
    You have made your feelings on webroot perfectly clear and i think it is in the best interest of webroot and forum members in general if you keep your negative comments to yourself because you are sounding like a scratched record and constantly repeating yourself.
    Regards.:thumb:
     
  8. claudiu

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    "...benefit continuing for anyone!"

    Yes, I know,especially for Webroot.:D :D :D

    These are questions newer answered and , as you can see, my concerns are backed up by AV Comparatives, either you like it or not!

    Thank you , though, for not deleating my thread!

    Claudiu
     
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  9. claudiu

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    "...you keep your negative comments to yourself..."

    So, I did not get it, how is normal in this world to keep my negative comments for myself while the positive comments (see PC Mag rating celebration) are abundant?

    Thanks,
    Claudiu
     
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    Your other thread was not deleted it was closed! And the second was set to invisible for a time and then it returned and again you said:
    TH
     
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    WSA does do this on install if there is no connectivity. After install, there are significant measures in place to ensure WSA can continue functioning even if connectivity is lost. It is the same scenario as if an AV can't update and doesn't have the newest signatures locally. If you click "Check for updates" when WSA is offline, it will tell you it is offline. In the meantime, it will scan knowing as much as it does locally and will continue journaling/monitoring anything that runs.
     
  12. claudiu

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    I was refering to that particular thread.

    Sorry for any missunderstanding (and dissapointment)

    thanks,
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    Claudiu - If you are under the impression I feel WSA is perfect I don't think it is - But neither is any other solution, person or object on Earth, I accept that & are happy to live with risks of life - I like WSA & will probably continue to use it though taking into account that is not perfect - You have made your points you really have, what else do you feel should happen?

    Do you realise you are coming across as somewhat unhinged? We all go on about things, well I know I do but there comes a point that it's time to give it a rest - Half the time I use Linux & have no AV at all ! You are not gaining anything whatsoever by further posts, maybe some agree with you on Wilders & use other solutions but most who populate this sector use WSA & seem happy with it, I am. I'm also on a 100MegBit fibre connection that runs well 24/7 & being upgraded next month, the scenario of a lost connection just isn't worth bothering about.
     
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  14. claudiu

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    Hi PrevxHelp,

    As you can see WSA scored below 80% and more that 210 FP connected to internet. Can you imagine what numbers would you have had with WSA not connected to internet?

    I do not understand why are you so stubborn to admit that connection to the cloud is vital for WSA; what would you say if my normal antivirus would fail to load the signature database on startup and yet will pretend that nothing happened, will scan, do things , as usual.

    Sounds like a crazy scenario, yet this is what you are saying is normal for WSA. How difficult would be do design a routine which will ping the cloud every 1 sec and will issue a BIG warning if the connection is lost? For me is a week job, for you maybe 2 hours...

    Just my opinion....

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    Claudiu
     
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    This song is dedicated to claudio, who doesn't know when to quit - "just give me something" :D
     
  16. claudiu

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    Thank you for the song, very nice , indeed.

    CLAUDIU
     
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    Well actually that does happen, NIS for instance often don't initiate a download until several minutes after Windows & net connection has loaded, that happens all the time & was pointed out to Symantec (by me & others) during beta (2013) On a slow connection it may be some time before sigs are up to date, Mbam don't update until sometime after Windows has loaded even though the net is waiting. If you are using a free AV it can be some time before the slower servers give all updates which can be 10's of megs just after a few days. As stated earlier a new install of AVG a while back required 50 meg of sigs to be current, how long do you think that takes on a slow connection IF the download started after Windows had loaded which it does not.
     
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    YW! ...Pleased that you liked it. :)
     
  19. claudiu

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    Answer to PC Findler:

    You make a confusion between loadind the signatures database on startup and update.
    I am not surprised though....

    Thanks,
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    I've tried to stay out of this one but I just can't help myself.

    My take on this is that an out-of-date (even by an hour) resident database is less effective than a cloud-based database. The cloud-based database if updated once and every system using it now knows about a new nasty. :thumb:

    In any case, how can a resident database truly be better than a cloud-based one. Think about it...:blink:
     
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    I'm saying an sig based AV will be out of date unless on 24/7 (and can be when on 24/7 & connected) & does not download new sigs straight away & no warning is given until sometime after if ever, with Mbam for example you personally set the time to warn you of outdated updates, depending on how often you connect or use a PC you could be seriously out of date, esp with zero day -
     
  22. claudiu

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    Answer for kdcdq:

    From the same article posted:
     

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    You can post all the documents you want, but that is just someone else's opinion..:doubt:
     
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    Exactly.. Agree 100% !
     
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    RE: 'Answer for kdcdq:

    From the same article posted:' -

    As WSA uses heuristics & generics & not just the cloud you have just dropped yourself right in it -
     
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