Memory optimizing - bad for SSD ?

Discussion in 'other software & services' started by pb1, Sep 29, 2015.

  1. Mrkvonic

    Mrkvonic Linux Systems Expert

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    There's no such thing as third-party memory optimization.

    You can tweak kernel parameters, if accessible - only makes sense for businesses and large HPC scenarios.
    You let the kernel do its own MM, and it's optimal for pretty much all and every use case in the home environment.

    Mrk
     
  2. pb1

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    Exactly. 1+
    The rest in this thread is just strong opinions, and they are like **possibly offensive word removed**, everybodys got one.

    I am back to running Cleanmem 3 or 4 times the first hour whenever i run Spotify at the same time as the browser. That keeps the female voice that warns about low memory away, irritating when i actually do not have to little memory.
    It is IE11 that is bad at cleaning up after it self.
     
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    Has the claim that Superfetch will not release ram to applications been tested and documented? Can you link to credible test reports?
     
  5. Bill_Bright

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    If this were true, 3rd party apps would be recommended by all sorts of experts and highly publicized all over the place. But it is not happening. Why? Because contrary to what you want to believe, Windows is excellent at memory management.

    In fact, I ask you to show us just one recognized expert who recommends either of these apps. Just one. Ed Bott, Mark Russinovich, Fred Langa, Paul Thurrott, Mary Jo Foley, Ray Chen or any major blogger, magazine - just one! Do NOT believe the hype of the program developer.

    And if you think W10 manages memory the same was W7 or previous versions did, you just have not done your homework or bothered to get informed. :(

    @pb1 - when reading those links, note the dates the articles were written. When it comes to SSD technologies, even a couple years makes a big difference.

    And note the issue is if any limitation will affect the home or small business user - not busy corporate servers. The fact of the matter is, the answer is no. If the concern was "reads" that would matter. But not writes.
     
  6. Rolo42

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    That's correct, as demonstrated below:
    RAM used for caching is not allocated RAM and is available and reported as "free".
    Code:
    C:\WINDOWS\system32>systeminfo | find "Memory"
    Total Physical Memory:     8,150 MB
    Available Physical Memory: 4,242 MB
    Virtual Memory: Max Size:  9,430 MB
    Virtual Memory: Available: 3,105 MB
    Virtual Memory: In Use:    6,325 MB
    Of that 4,242MB available physical memory, ResMon shows 2,350MB of it being used for caching/standby.

    If emotions are in an argument, judgment is skewed and facts are misunderstood/ignored. If one makes a claim, the believability should primarily be based on observable, measurable, repeatable facts rather than good sounding arguments or "because the experts say so/don't say so". Disks, memory, performance can all be observed and measured. Live long and prosper.
     
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  7. Bill_Bright

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    "Repeatable" is a key word there. If the results cannot be duplicated, then it was an anomaly. Even if they can be duplicated, it should be with real-world and "typical" scenarios and not some off-the-wall only 1-in-10 million might encounter, extreme example.

    I do not agree that what the experts "say" does not matter. It very much matters if they are real, recognized by their peers, experts - and if there are several in agreement.

    What the experts "don't say", however, is immaterial. We must not read in to something that was not said. That is like trying to prove unicorns don't exist.
     
  8. roger_m

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    Actually there is no hype from Shane, the developer of CleanMem. He does not encourage anyone to use it, he just says that some people may find it useful.

    I don't use CleanMem personally at the moment, but I have installed it on some computers which don't have adequate RAM installed. If there are people who use CleanMem, and find it useful, does it matter that experts don't recommend using it? Shane has given some examples of where CleanMem has helped.

    Personally, I never feel the need to base any decision about what software I use on the opinion of others, even if they are experts. I'm more than capable of reaching my own decisions. If I try some software, and find it safe and useful, I'll keep using it. It's as simple as that.
     
  9. Rolo42

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    10 I didn't say that--it would be foolish to not listen to experts--I said that should not be the primary basis for one's beliefs.

    20 Yes, except when it comes to dealing with specific users such that you would find on a technical forum, specifics trump generalities.

    30 GOTO 10
     
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