Short story, feel free to skip... Today I encountered another heavily infected computer. This time with ibistoolbar, vx2, and a host of other nasties. No CWS to my surprise and relief though . Went through with adaware, spybot, ewido, microsoft antispyware, hijackthis, pocketkillbox, safe mode, apt, regedit, etc etc. I was able to get rid of everything except for wintools. Most (if not all) the scanners I used detected it. But none could remove it. Couldn't delete it in safe mode, couldn't delete it with pocketkillbox, couldn't delete it after hijackthis, can't delete or change the registry values (it will just refill them in) etc etc. I was thinking of trying one of those bootdisks when I stumbled upon the symantec huntbar removal utility http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/adware.huntbar.html . Having had luck with the symantec virtumundo removal utility I gave this one a try as well. It deleted three registry values but at the end of the scan said it did not find any instances of huntbar. I rebooted into safe mode and to my surprise there were no strange processes running in task manager. I then easily deleted the wintools folder. Prevention would have saved a lot of work, but a computer with good security measures already in place is quite difficult to find now a days. My poll question So I am wondering how would you rate the removal techniques used in scanners? To me it seems like they are lacking against some of the latest adware threats. Having been overly familiar with cws, virtumundo, vx2, and now ibistoolbar, some of them seem to employ similar "protection methods" that make it difficult to remove by scanners. If there was a way to generically remove these types of threats, I think it could possibly make this gap closer. What are your thoughts? Note: I am not speaking of prevention, detection, etc. My poll is directed towards malware scanners and how effective you feel their removal methods are.