Living without plugins is not hard, I have being doing it for a long time. I think its not only safer to get rid of plugins that are rarely used but things are easier. No updates, etc. In my W7, I require none, I install none. In the rare cases I require one for something, I install it temporarily in a sandbox and after I am finish using it, I delete the sandbox. In Xp, I use Flash every day so in that computer, I install Flash but nothing else. I love that picture. Bo