Discussion in 'privacy general' started by Searching_ _ _, Aug 4, 2010.
Lawsuit challenges airport full-body scanners - Boston Globe
There's a related story out today that puts a whole new spin on things.
Put them in every airport and make every single man, woman and child walk through them. I've had it with these "privacy advocates". Look, either you give up some privacy and become "safer" (you will never, ever be completely safe), or you throw lawsuits at everything that even slightly kills a bit of privacy, tie up courts for years when they could be ruling on things that actually matter, and give people who want to harm others more freedom to do their work. Take your pick here, there is no perfect solution and there never will be. Do any of you honestly think the little wand-holding men and women at the airports are going to stop anything? They are underpaid, extremely overworked, and subjected to restrictions themselves. In other words, they are useless.
Has anyone SEEN these body scanners work? They don't provide a crystal clear, full color live nude show for Bubba behind the desk to whoop and whistle over, they show your form, and anything strapped to it. If you don't like the fact that somebody can see how badly you need to work out or lose weight, that's your problem. I'm more worried about somebody strapping a weapon underneath their clothes than I am your body image. I realize I'm taking a rather hard stance here, but you know what, someone has to. There's a place for privacy, but it isn't at an airport full of innocent people or any other mass transit area.
Did you read the 2nd story?
The logical extension of your argument is to allow the government to do whatever, whenever to "keep us safe." I don't think it's about anyone worrying about weight issues or anything else. It's about a digital strip-search. And now, it's about them STORING this information, when they said they absolutely would not.
No no, I'm not advocating the government doing whatever it pleases, I added more to my comments than were needed to make my point actually. I don't agree at ALL that it should be stored. That DOES need to be stopped. But, this "digital strip search" as you put it, is an effective measure against hidden weapons, and, I'm sorry, but I feel it is a very small concern compared to the safety it can provide. Now, all that being said, you STILL have the problem of personnel letting their guard down and not intently watching the screen during every single pass-through.
TSA Insists Full Body Scanner is Optional - San Francisco Chronicle
A determined individual could choose a full body scanner because he's keastered a bomb.
I can now choose between being touched by a stranger or my naked images being stored.
Guys I swear, I don't know what to think of your objections to this. I'm just as much of a privacy advocate as you all, but, really, my opinion is that there is way more fuss over this than necessary. I ask again, has anyone SEEN these images? Though it is admittedly fuzzy, look at the image displayed in that link. Does that REALLY look like an image worth going off the hinge about? That's not exactly a photograph. The way some of you are describing this, these are full color "nudie pics" capable of being oogled at by bored workers. And it just isn't so.
This storage thing, no, I do not want nor believe we need to be hoarding these scans just for kicks. But, has anyone thought about storage being used to prosecute people who were legitimately found to be carrying weapons and such? You guys know how courts are these days, they worry more about criminals rights than they do yours. One little screw-up and a criminal can walk free based on some "unconstitutional" matter. These images can prove without any doubt some guy or woman was packing heat or something much worse, without all the "illegal search and seizure" BS a good defense attorney would immediately jump on.
Seriously guys, privacy is a great, often taken for granted thing, but stop trying to play EFF agent all the time and choose your battles.
It's a pity we cannot arrest govt. officials for child porn when they use such "technology." I hate the US govt.
Think again, i've starred over certain areas.
You can enhance the images even further
That's why i created the poster/video in my sig/profile
I wasn't aware of that, neat trick actually. Well, look, I'm not sure what to say here. What we're already doing doesn't work well enough, these machines, quite obviously don't allow you to hide things, unless you stick..we're not going there in this thread, but you get it. The real answer to these issues is political, so I won't add that in here, but something has to give eventually. We can't keep relying on underpaid, inattentive human screeners, the privacy groups keep shooting down alternatives. It's very sad to say, but I truly believe something very bad is going to have to happen again for people to finally get it...and then they STILL may not. No one, anywhere in the world is going to have any tangible security until special interest groups and lawmakers worried about elections move aside and let actual security professionals do their job.
I'll..... I'll wait till they perfect the matter energy transporter ya know like in star trek. I don't have to go any where I hope ......
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