Kaspersky's Object Identifiers

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  1. De Hollander

    De Hollander Registered Member

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    If i understand it correctly kaspersky is gone use a different method regarding the object identifiers issue. What happens with those object identifiers when you upgrade to V8?
     
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  2. BlueZannetti

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    Well, unless KL provides a tool to delete them, or a user invokes the native MS fsutil utility to delete them, .... nothing.

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  3. TonyW

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    As a Kaspersky user myself, I ain't even bothered about the objectIDs.
     
  4. De Hollander

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    So why are they changing the methode?
    Is this because of reports about chkdsk.

    o_O




     
  5. Firecat

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    Yes, it is due to the chkdsk problems and the fact that Microsoft did not approve of Kaspersky's method of using object identifiers.........:)
     
  6. De Hollander

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    Is there a "official" response from KL.
     
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    Yes, something that is not very frequently mentioned.....

    http://www.kaspersky.com/support/kav7/error?qid=208279501

    Of interest is this quote:

    IMO Kaspersky has not handled this issue in a proper way at all......The issue is very much there, even if not for all users, and the fact that one will have to wait for version 8 to get this "problem" finally fixed is not going to make customers happy.

    Whether or not this is a significant issue; Kaspersky has not handled it properly.
     
  8. De Hollander

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    So did they shoot themselves in the foot with this technique o_O

    If having no problems, you just end up with 200mb max of extra data on your HD, (digital form of tattoo), or to resolve it, you can use MS fsutil utility (plastic surgery)
     
  9. BlueZannetti

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    Basically yes. They violated one of those implicit rules of good behavior - even if you remove KAV/KIS from your machine, a fairly large and obvious footprint of the installation remains. A fair number of users freak out about a handful of residual registry entries, this is a lot more extensive that that. However, like inactive registry entries, they are innocuous once properly created and as long as chkdsk can complete an execution.
    Yes.

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    Yeah, even after removing KAV the chkdsk issue does not get solved........For those having the problem the only solution is a complete reformat or to live with the chkdsk scan delay.

    Removing NTFS object IDs is not as simple as removing Alternate Data Streams (which was another trick Kaspersky tried in version 5.0, called iStreams - adding ADS tags to files); so I doubt there will ever be a fix for the affected users.
     
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    Just be clear on specifically what the issue really is. Chkdsk takes a bit of time to process stage 2: not a problem. Chkdsk will not complete: this is potentially a problem. File system is inconsistent and cannot be fixed due to chkdsk's inabiliity to complete leading to cascading filesystem corruption: this is the problem
    Correct, if by "problem" you mean an inconsistent and corrupted file system. A simple delay is, once again, not the problem and should not be used as a guideline to recommend users execute a system reformat.
    For home users, it is as simple. For business users on a networked domain with application servers, probably not simple.

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  12. Peter2150

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    That isn't really a fair statement. I for one had no issue with the OI's and prefer that being added as opposed to the junk some US software adds to my system.
     
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    I would say it borders on violating this.
     
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    I believe this is rather a strange statement. This has nothing to do what country it is from
     
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    I agree :thumb: Nothing at all to do with country-of-origin

    Is there any info about what kind of technique is going to be use in the new version v8
     
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    One gratuitous and potentially inflammatory post removed.

    Regards

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    that sucks, this answers why it hung up the other day almost to the point where I thought the machine froze & it's a new machine, I'm running another solution at the moment but this doesn't make me feel very good about the potenial problems could be there on a machine that is barely 45 days old...maybe I should reformat but the programs on there was tough to get going in vista, not sure if a reformat would cause more headaches...
     
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    Because programs are created to intergrate and "fit" into an Operating System, that allows them to tinker around with what is installed there. For PCs, that only impacts the user of that PC only. On mainframes, only systems programmers can tinker with the Operating System. If the application programmer tries to do that, they get reprimanded and told to cease and desist or else.:gack:
     
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    this forum is biased!
    it seems some av's will do anything to lower their scan speed, it must be a really big seller :)
     
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    Speed and execution time is a critical factor whether a program is used or not. ANY program that takes a long time to run won't stay on any user's PC for long. I tried the ZA online AS scanner and it was finished scanning my system in less than 15 seconds??!! I said WHAT? That was FAST! :D Almost too fast. :doubt:
     
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    I look at it this way: if the objectIDs impede my day to day use of the computer, posting here, sending emails etc., then I'll worry. As it is, I'm not aware of any problems.

    There are bigger issues in the world to worry about.
     
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    You bet. And if I put any AV back on my system it would be KAV. Had it on for two years, and no problems with OID's. What I did like was I could do a full scan in 5 minutes as opposed to 1 hour.

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    Anybody or every company can and will make mistakes.

    If you want to remove the OID, because you don’t want to have a chkdsk slow down.
    What are the current solutions?
    Format, Clean image, Fsutil, or does KL offer you a tool?

    If I wood be using a KL product, and KL wood stated, “Costumer, Sorry, we where wrong, and will work on a permanent solution for you” I wood be happy with that, Now, they stop using this method and start with something else in version 8. So as a hypothetical costumer, I wood dump this program.


    But as you stated :thumb: "There are bigger issues in the world to worry about"
     
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    this forum is biased!
    basically they have made a technology with a big flaw, and instead of fixing it in the current version, they say "Wait for next version"

    refund.....
     
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    I can't think of any piece of software that doesn't have one problem or another,can all you "experts" actually with hand on heart say that this is a major issue that affects more than a handful of users?Its Kaspersky and there are some guys on this forum who like to make a mountain out of a mole-hill when any problem re-kaspersky is brought up
    I have a friend who because of his hardware"combination" cannot install either service pack 1 or service pack 2 for XP(bsod everytime no matter what is tried!),does this make these updates to XP "bad programs"?or is just a problem that affects very few users so on the whole the updates are worthwhile installing for the vast majority?Its the same with Kav/Kis most users would not even be aware of this problem if a few "bashers" didn't keep banging on about it
     
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