IVPN questions.

Discussion in 'privacy technology' started by Roberteyewhy, Jun 1, 2017.

  1. Roberteyewhy

    Roberteyewhy Registered Member

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    Do not put much credence in reviews online, but I do trust the people on Wilders. Installed IVPN on a 3 day trail period.

    Questions about IVPN:

    1) How do I change the Server?
    2) How do I change to Multi Hop?
    3) Is that it? Nothing else I need to do?

    Any other tips would be appreciated.

    That's ok, I figured it out.

    Thanks,
    Robert
     
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  2. mirimir

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    The IVPN app is pretty straightforward. Do use the firewall.
     
  3. Roberteyewhy

    Roberteyewhy Registered Member

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    Yes. By the by mirimir, tried IVPN because of your testing. However, I am also testing NordVPN and to me they are just about the same as far as speed and security goes.

    The biggest thing is the price! NordVPN for 2yrs $79 vs IVPN $200. If the price was at least closer, I would go with IVPN as I just like the GUI and systray icon better plus the integrated Firewall. But in Nord's defense, I just put Chrome and Edge in Kill Switch and it works well.

    I have emailed IVPN sales to see if I can get a discount, but have not heard from them yet. Any discount for being a Wilders member or whatever as I know you have a relationship with them?

    Robert
     
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  4. jaypeecee

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    Hi Robert, I agree with your comment about IVPN's pricing. I'm currently evaluating VyprVPN, which is priced at $64/year basic and $90/year premium.

    JPC
     
  5. Roberteyewhy

    Roberteyewhy Registered Member

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    Hey, Jay. Like the way you do your username. Same here roberteyewhy. Just forgot the (t).

    Sooner or later, they will have to rethink their pricing scheme. What with so many people purchasing a VPN; in this day and age of selling one's browsing habits IVPN just will not be competitive. I mean, as I stated, I like their VPN solution, but too expensive and all things considered, it's not that much better.

    How's VyprVPN?

    RIY
     
  6. jaypeecee

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    Hi Robert,

    Thanks for the reply.

    I like the fact that VyprVPN is operated by Golden Frog in Switzerland. Golden Frog own the entire infrastructure of VyprVPN - the servers, the software, etc. That means they must (and do) take full responsibility for the service they provide. Plus their location in Switzerland whose people take privacy and security seriously. Golden Frog's customer service is second-to-none; I often get a response within a couple of hours by email. As for VyprVPN itself, it is very fast and I really like the UI, which provides a lot of useful information. I have no vested interest in Golden Frog and I can always be persuaded to consider other VPN providers.

    JPC
     
  7. Roberteyewhy

    Roberteyewhy Registered Member

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    I checked it out after you posted. Looks good but so do a lot of them (IVPN, NordVPM, ExpressVPN, etc.) so hard to choose. I guess I'll use Nord as it is the cheapest and I have tested it vigorously and it passed them all.:thumb:

    Configured my ASUS router for VPN through Nord's DNS servers and my login info, but slowed down my internet speed so deactivated it. Will just use the Nord's client software as get around 40mbs speed.

    Good luck with VyprVPN,
    Robert
     
  8. jaypeecee

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    Hi Everyone,

    I contacted VyprVPN (Golden Frog) to draw their attention to the results published at https://vpntesting.info/. This was their reply (in full)...


    Hello,

    Thank you for your inquiry!

    I understand you have some concerns about the results you are seeing on a DNS leak test site. I would be happy to provide some clarification.

    Firstly, if you are not seeing your ISP's name associated with any of the DNS servers the site returned, then you do not have a leak. If you do, then you are leaking DNS requests and we can further assist with that to the best of our ability.

    I’d like to elaborate a little bit on how VyprDNS works and the reason why you are seeing the results you are seeing on that site.

    We setup VyprDNS in such a way that prevents our customer’s DNS queries from being associated with their activity on VyprVPN. Doing this prevents organizations that restrict DNS from putting blocks in place for our users. This is done using a DNS relay system. Sites like dnsleaktest.com and others will see the last server in the DNS relay chain, which typically does not identify itself with VyprVPN. This is good because customer DNS is not identified as coming from VyprVPN, which is the intended goal.

    The hostnames associated with those last server DNS IPs are not typically within our control, so we normally cannot change them. That’s why you might see IPs associated with different hostnames that have nothing to do with VyprVPN.

    DNS leak test sites make the faulty assumption that the DNS server to which the end-user makes the request is the actual DNS server from which the leak test will see the request, which is not how it works with VyprDNS, specifically because we don’t want leak test servers seeing the request come from VyprVPN.

    We go to great lengths to ensure all data sent over our network stays between us and the customer. The specific configuration of VyprDNS is just one of the ways we protect your data.

    I hope I was able to shed some light on your concerns.

    Regards,



    Now I have to say that this reply falls outside my technical knowledge. So, I'm hoping that mirimir (or anyone else) can simplify things for me.

    JPC
     
  9. Roberteyewhy

    Roberteyewhy Registered Member

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    Thanks JPC. I too cannot respond to VYPR's reply. Yeah, let mirimir respond, hopefully. I should do the same as you with NordVPN and see what they have to say. In fact, off to send an email.

    OK emailed sent. Will post what Nord has to say.

    Thanks mirmir for you testing. Now people can see what the VPN's that did not pass your scrutiny has to say.

    Robert
     
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  10. Roberteyewhy

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    Don't want to tell you or anyone what to do or use as I am a novice. However, have you see this comparison chart on VPN's? The chart has just about every VPN offerings. I do not know how reputable the chart is so...

    https://thatoneprivacysite.net/vpn-comparison-chart/

    Site was last updated on 05.30.17.

    I checked IVPN and NordVPN as that is all I am interested in.

    Since you are in the evaluation stage...

    Robert
     
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  11. mirimir

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    Look at Table 4 in https://vpntesting.info/Initial-Win7-Results.html for VyprVPN.

    You can see that the Windows 7 VM hit the ISP's (GigaTux) DNS server. But it only did that while the VPN client was reconnecting after uplink interruption. Basically, I did the VM equivalent of disconnecting the LAN cable, and tried to hit some test sites for a minute or two. Then I restored the uplink, waited for the VPN client to reconnect, and hit my test sites. I also saw IPv6 leaks, but no other IPv4 leaks.

    That's a pretty extreme test. But it's something that might happen if your ISP uplink goes down and comes back while you're torrenting or whatever. And you can make the VyprVPN client safe by: 1) removing your ISP-associated DNS server from your router and devices, to make sure that it's never used; 2) using firewall rules to allow direct traffic only with the VPN server; and 3) disabling IPv6, and blocking all IPv6 traffic with firewall rules.
     
  12. mirimir

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    It's expensive, for sure. But much less than the old standard, Cryptohippie. And only half the price of Insorg, for example.

    I like IVPN because it's run by a small group of experienced IT folk. So are many others, I'm sure. Such as AirVPN, BolehVPN and Mullvad. And they were one of the first to accept Bitcoin. What can I say, I trust them :)
     
  13. Roberteyewhy

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    Sorry, I have no idea what you are saying. Only, I acknowledge your experience and expertise in regards to VPN.. mirmir, always said I would rather pay for them (IVPN), but monetarily and practicality reins supreme...in my universe.

    Just started aggressively understanding the VPN Fringe Science...I do my homework!

    "Trust is a hard thing to come by in life."

    Thanks for your input,
    Robert
     
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  14. Roberteyewhy

    Roberteyewhy Registered Member

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    P.S. If IVPN gives me some 'dispensation' I will probably use their service.
     
  15. NiteRanger

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    Hi jaypeecee

    Are you aware Switzerland work with the US DOJ to supply them clients' money info?

    What do you think of your privacy for a few dollars a month VPN subscription is worth to them? They already destroyed their reputation as a privacy haven just like Iceland which supplied the FBI with the silk road servers info
     
  16. mirimir

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    True.

    But on the other hand, PIA told US courts that they keep no logs, and that was the end of it. And PIA is incorporated in the US. So it's arguable that some non-US VPN services will be even less likely to provide de-anonymizing information. But do pay attention to requirements for data retention. There are none for US VPNs, so far. Many VPN services (including IVPN) maintain that they aren't required to keep logs.
     
  17. NiteRanger

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    Since NordVPN and IVPN are mentioned I assume privacy is a concern here.

    If you are privacy conscious then one selection criteria(based on country only) of a VPN provider

    a) Should not based(headquartered) in the 5/9/14-eye countries. Neither should be their servers. Note also that some US VPN providers do collect users’ data despite residing in countries with no data retention law
    b) Should not use those servers in countries which are strong allies to the US e.g. Israel, S Korea, Singapore and Japan.
    c) Should not use servers in countries which has data retention law. Some have data retention law but not in force(inactive) or not applicable to VPN providers. If the latter then should be ok to use.
    d) Should not use servers in countries which have internet censorship and surveillance, and on RSF Internet Surveillance watch list(Enemies of the Internet and Countries under Surveillance)

    Typical privacy conscious VPN providers include

    IVPN
    ZorroVPN
    NordVPN
    Mullvad VPN
    ProtonVPN

    Of course there are other factors(like its performance, price, support etc) to be considered in the selection of a privacy-conscious VPN provider besides basing on country alone.

    Contrary, if you are not privacy conscious, then just select from any of the VPN provider with hundreds/thousands of servers spread over many continents will do like

    ExpressVPN
    PIA
    IPVanish
     
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  18. Lockdown

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    What specifically do you need a VPN for - anonymity, encryption, just paranoid ?

    I have used both IVPN and Mullvad (currently) - so ask away.
     
  19. Roberteyewhy

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    I want everything, LocikDown (AG). Just looked at Mullvad..Never heard of it. I like that. Usually the best is low keyed no brag just the facts same as IVPM .

    What can I say, now you come into the picture.

    Bottom line is, I want the best period. Now since you enter and say that you run Mullad, I am going to see.

    So, testing IVPM, NordVPM and now Mullad.

    Thanks Lockdown,
    Robert
     
  20. Roberteyewhy

    Roberteyewhy Registered Member

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    Lockdown, I do my homework. I am relentless...never stop. Until I find what is best for me. Like AG

    Now I am in a quandary...

    You and mirmir

    IVPN or Mullvad or NordVPN

    Robert
     
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  21. Lockdown

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    Mullvad is a reliable, but basic client. IVPN has multi-hop and the firewall that will block all internet traffic until connected to the VPN. The noticeable difference is in the features of the clients. Mullvad and IVPN servers are located almost the same in North America. Speed is almost identical. Is IVPN worth $2.69 more per month ? If you want to use their client, I think it is - especially the ping time (ms) indicator in the client GUI.
     
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  22. Lockdown

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    If you run into any issues with the Mullvad client, make it a PowerApp in AppGuard and see if that fixes it.
     
  23. Roberteyewhy

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    Lockdown,, thanks.

    Yep! I am steadfast. If IVPN or mirmir does not give me a comparative rate...... in whatever price structure, I will go with NordVPN.

    Bye the bye, Lockdown if you implement AG v5 on your system(s) and YOU say it is worth it, then I will be in. I never put anything in Power App. Don't need to.

    Thanks,
    Robert

    P.S. Lockdown and mirimir, I am in testing mode. Going to test everything. Why? When I find what is right for me, then I am just going to reimage and install that VPN.
     
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  24. Lockdown

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    1. There are minor bugs in the IVPN client - I thought they would have updated it by now
    2. IVPN connects for me faster than Mullvad
    3. In the Mullvad client, I can set the country to "Any" - and the client will randomly pick a server out of the Mullvad server list to connect to
    4. The IVPN firewall is nice

    If you want reliably encryption then NordVPN will be fine. If you want reliable anonymity then Mullvad or IVPN. If you want full-featured, then IVPN.

    Pick the one you like best.
     
  25. mirimir

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    Sorry, I'm not IVPN staff, just an occasional freelance writer.
     
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