dear RejZor and Firefighter, please calm down and lets analyze the facts. we all are humans, longtime ago a bloke thought 640k of memory was enough, but things changed. things changed because WE changed it. now the Wildlist guys thought that THIS might be the perfect plan to create a list of HOT viruses. but if you think there is a problem then why don't you mail them pointing out the problem with a probable solution? personal virus collection is a very very sensitive issue. everyone thinks that their collection is the best. so if some AV software missed a bug then it surely touches a sore spot. but lets admit the facts, there are a lot of viruses and other malicious codes which we wouldn't have seen if we didn't open those sites or downloaded those files. so if we consider those facts we'll see that a lot of those bugs in our collection are just rare species. its our fault that we popularize them. or maybe we THINK they are popular. if you think i'm just babbling then please take out your samples and mail them to you nearest Wildlist reporters. surely they'll report your bug and within days you'll see that your exotic bug is now officially in the wild. do this before you blame the Wildlist organisation for their shortsightness. i'm sure they'll happily applaud every CONSTRUCTIVE moves you make. regarding the VB tests i don't think they are run by people who are unware of the tactics to find a virus by a certain AV software. sometimes the holes lie in the software itself. its not easy to develop and maintain a software which can pinpoint thousands of viruses with little memory utilisation and no confliction. any real system programmer will support me on this. if you want the tests with ITW trojans then checkout this site. but i feel that they are not a major threat as it can be controlled by some good practices. but there are some codes which will still attack you even if you don't do anything wrong. take those worms exploiting vulnerablities for example. in that way i think the Wildlist is doing a pretty good job. the extra protection provided by DrWeb and many other softwares is just for those who really explores the Net. i like this feature as i'm one of those explorers but still i don't find any reasons to bash the Wildlist Organisation.