Implanting microchips in people

Discussion in 'privacy general' started by emmjay, Jul 24, 2017.

  1. emmjay

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    It was inevitable. Rather than just the financial sector there are governments that see an upside to microchips in people. Law enforcement - someone on bail, house arrest, convicted pedophiles. Immigration - Visitor visas (yikes). Health: alzheimer and dementia patients. Microchip kids to know where they are at all times. The downside is obvious: privacy and human rights.

    What if it was a condition of employment? You can't get into your workplace without the chip.

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/us-c...-in-employees-promises-no-spying-517128.shtml
     
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  2. Umbra

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    No problemo, just wear tinfoil glove :argh:
     
  3. Minimalist

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    Predictable, like most things happening with technology right now.
     
  4. TairikuOkami

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    I guess that putting the chip inside watches or bracelets is too much to ask? It is not, like an implanted chip can not be stolen, unless it matches biometrics data of the user.
     
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    You can buy nylon cloth that's been plated with nickel and silver. It's quite supple. And it blocks RF quite well. I'm sure that one could fashion gloves. Just buy a cheap pair of fake leather gloves, disassemble, and use as a pattern.
     
  8. boredog

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    The clothing store GAP has had them in their cloths for years and Vets have been using them in pets for along time but it looks like this company is the first is the US that is doing it. We know the Secret Service has them. I think a hacker would have to be within 50 feet to do any hacking not over the internet. A company I worked for sold bar code scanners with RFID and I worked on them. The antenna for those were in the handle.
     
  9. RockLobster

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    I remember the days when all you would lose if you got mugged was your wallet, how long you think before we hear about the first case of someone having their hand cut off...
     
  10. emmjay

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    They can be encrypted. This is an article on RFID Hacking ...

    https://www.wired.com/2006/05/rfid-2/

    The article is a bit outdated. It is possible that improvements in the technology have since been made. That also unfortunately means that the hackers have caught up.
     
  11. boredog

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    That site doesn't like add blockers. AS I mentioned normal RFID scanners these days can scan up to 50 feet and so you do not have to be within a few inches. But with a more beefed up scanner (receiver) you don't have to be even that close.
     
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    This is BS which 95%+ people will accept or be forced to accept. Beam me up Scotty. I wish the Luddites had won more than ever.
     
  13. Nebulus

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    Then I would seek another job. And no, I don't think that everyone will follow this microchip trend.
     
  14. xxJackxx

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    Or someone cutting off their own hand to rid themselves of it. Any of the "good" uses for one could be achieved by wearing a smart watch. Or obviously a phone, though larger and less convenient. There is no way these won't be hacked or misused.
     
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    You must see all the ways this can be used not only those ways to your benefit that they dangle in front of you to see.
     
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    It will be like all the other things they do, if they kind find a way to get it past one generation the next, who are born into it, will think it is normal. Income tax for an example.
     
  17. mood

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    Why thousands of Swedes are inserting microchips into themselves
    June 22, 2018
    https://www.thelocal.se/20180622/why-thousands-of-swedes-are-inserting-microchips-into-themselves
     
  18. mirimir

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    They trust their government. Perhaps they're fools. Or perhaps they're blessed with good governments. I don't know enough to say.

    Except that The Pirate Bay got nailed there, which was a bad thing :(
     
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    Sounds too much like Biblical end of times prognostications! For that reason alone I am out on that!
     
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    I guess pray that the thieves in the future have good surgical skills & sterile equipment.
     
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    Why You’re Probably Getting a Microchip Implant Someday
    September 23, 2018
    https://www.nextgov.com/emerging-te...crochip-implant-someday/151480/?oref=rf-river
     
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    UK firms could start microchipping employees to improve security
    November 12, 2018
    https://www.theinquirer.net/inquire...-start-chipping-employees-to-improve-security
     
  23. Stefan Froberg

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    "The chips cost between £70-£260 each. In the US, BioHax has already microchipped one company"

    I don't know what chip BioTeq using but the chip that Swedish BioHax is using in their implant (NTAG216) is cheap as sand.

    If you really want yourself tagged, then grab one from China for less than $1/piece, add a small antenna, stuff it into small bioglass tube (invented around 1960) and boom, you have your implant assembled.

    Code:
    https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/ntag-nfc-chip.html
    
    And about the security of these things....I have done some reading... (correct if Im wrong)

    NFC does not specify any form of authentication or encryption. At all.

    Bring any reader close enough to ordinary NFC tag and it will happily spit out it's UID.
    And that UID is then compared by the reader against list of UID's to either allow/deny access.

    If there is any security restrictions in the tag, they are vendor specific impementations.

    In NTAG216 case, there is password authentication (default value FF FF FF FF) but it's disabled by default. There is also password limit but also disabled by default.
    The password itself is just a 32-bit integer ... :argh:

    So without that password limit enabled, the correct one could be bruteforced within seconds.

    And even if limit was enabled, the password between tag and bona fide reader is sent unencrypted over the air (at least I can't find any mention of any encryption of it from specs).

    Soooo, basically, if one could bring own portable reader (like android phone with NFC enabled and with correct software) close enough to sniff the transfer between original reader and tag then that's that.

    You could get password, UID and other relevant info. Dump them to file in your phone (or upload to cloud or whatever). Walk home, order some reprogrammable smartcards with NTAG216 chip inside them order a smartcard reader/writer/cloner and then write the contents of the file dump to card. After that you can access any place the original implant owner can.

    EDIT:
    Seems that NTAG chips use 13.56 MHz so the maximum read range would be (for passive tag like NTAG) 1 meter or so (for active tag it would be around 10 meters).
    Hmmm...I wonder if the range could be increased with more powerfull reader...

    EDIT2:
    Old relay attack.
    Code:
    https://eprint.iacr.org/2011/618.pdf
     
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  24. mood

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    Bill to regulate microchipping employees introduced
    January 17, 2019
    http://www.wlox.com/2019/01/18/bill-regulate-microchipping-employees-introduced/
     
  25. Minimalist

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    The internet of human things: Implants for everybody and how we get there
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-i...-implants-for-everybody-and-how-we-get-there/
     
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