I'm Pretty Excited....Gonna Build my 1st AMD Rig...Always been Intel Guy.

Discussion in 'hardware' started by rodneym, Oct 29, 2018.

  1. rodneym

    rodneym Registered Member

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    So I read all weekend, about new hardware, my PC is 6 years old.

    AMD is much, much, more future proof than intel. You buy a AMD Chip and Board, and in the future, pretty much just upgrade the chip IF you need to.

    But for 580 dollars I can have a new PC...

    Yes I am reusing the case, video card, and power supply. (Giant ATX Case, Asus RX 480 OC, Coolermaster 1200Watt, Silent Pro Gold).


    So here is what I am doing, for multi-thread work, like videos and some gaming too.

    Ryzen 2700x ...Chip

    Asrock AMD X470 ....MB

    Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8 3000Mhz C15... Memory
     
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  2. Bill_Bright

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    No its not. For one that is a blanket statement and therefore, like all blanket statements, is just wrong.

    And as you said, for $580 you can have a new PC so why does it matter? The fact of the matter is, if you plan on keeping this computer for 5 or 6 years, the odds are the quite equal you will be able to upgrade the CPU on whichever motherboard platform you choose a couple times during those 5 years with a fully compatible processor. And after 5 - 6 years, are you really going to keep the same old obsolete and superseded motherboard to use with a brand new state-of-art CPU? Not likely as that will likely bottleneck the new CPU with legacy motherboard and legacy RAM technologies.

    Another fact is there no guarantee the motherboard maker will keep spending development resources ($$$) to add support for obsolete/superseded motherboards. It costs a lot of money to develop, test, and release BIOS firmware updates for legacy motherboards just so they can support newly released CPUs after that many years. But more importantly, from a business standpoint, they get $zero in returns on those expenses. It is just a total profits money pit. They surely would rather we buy a new motherboard.

    So future-proofing is NOT a good or valid reason to choose one brand over the other. If you like Intel, there's no reason you have to switch. They make great processors for any purpose - as does AMD.

    The best way to ensure future-proofing is to (1) buy a current motherboard and perhaps most importantly (2), buy a motherboard that supports the latest technologies. For example, buying a current motherboard that supports only DDR3 would not be very smart.
     
  3. rodneym

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    Whoa Hoss....

    Take it easy. I think everyone knows, maybe they don't like to acknowledge the fact that Intel is notorious for changing complete platforms so that every time you might want to upgrade a processor, you in turn have to upgrade your board and memory also.

    When I build my current PC in 2013, there were several socket types to choose from, and many wondering IF the moment they made their purchase, building their new PC, if it would be obsolete, because the socket type they were led to believe would work in the near future, would be the one out of 4 or 5 socket types that Intel would choose to support, And then they were disappointed to find out the opposite was true, within 3-4 months time.

    So yes there is a basis for what I have stated.
     
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    Mine is trucking along quite nicely and whatever it is that those hardware vendors have done, at least in the past 5 years? or so, is nothing short of amazing.

    Units in this camp are left on many months at a time non-stop except for the rare occasional event known as a power outage OR I decide to give it a rest or do a hardware switch out. Resiliency is been mind blowing. I fully expected something to puke long by now but like I say, whatever they crafted into these machines the past xxx years, they fashioned them to run like the rising of the sun everyday.

    So I don't see any reason why a computer rig can't last 10 years minimum IMO. And I am terribly hard on my units taxing them to the point of super heating many times :eek:
     
  5. rodneym

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    Good word Thanks
     
  6. Bill_Bright

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    "Whoa Hoss!" yourself! Did you read, and take a moment to understand, my whole comment? Obviously not. :(

    You are taking your one example and attempting to apply it to all of Intel. That is just as bogus and invalid as the original "blanket" statement. Can you put a AM4 processor on an AM3+ motherboard? Nope!

    Yes, Intel changes sockets more often than AMD. And that does indeed limit upgrade options. But it does not prevent upgrades. Nor does it mean "every time" you want to upgrade you have to change boards and RAM.

    Conversely, to suggest just because AMD uses the same socket longer, that does NOT mean any AMD with that pin count socket will be supported by any same-socket motherboard with any same-socket chipset. There is no guarantee a simple BIOS update will ensure support on older motherboards for future AMDs!

    3 or 4 months? Hogwash. Just as your comment about RAM is hogwash. Does the RYZEN 7 2700X support DDR3? Nope! So if a user wanted to upgrade his current AMD FX-8370 to the 2700X, he will have to buy a whole new board and RAM too!

    And to the point of THIS thread, note the OP has already indicated he, like most computer users, keeps his computer for more than a couple years. While Intel might come out with a new family of CPUs that uses a different socket, that in no way suggests they will cease producing CPUs for the older socket, or that faster processors for the older socket will no longer be available.

    So I repeat what I said above,
    And BTW, note how many different socket AMDs Newegg sells, compared to Intel. What do you know, Hoss? It is 5 for both. :rolleyes:
     
  7. rodneym

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    Your comments make me think you have stock in intel or work for them, but "WHATEVER DUDE"...
     
  8. Bill_Bright

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    And you don't own AMD stock? :rolleyes:

    Actually, I have stock in both! :D And my goal is to make sure misinformation is not spewed about either. I am not a fan-boy of one over the other. They both make great processors. And we (as consumers) need both AMD and Intel to succeed. We need Intel to keep looking over their shoulders to keep them them innovating so AMD does not leapfrog past them again. And we need AMD to keep nipping at Intel's heels so Intel does not sit on its laurels and thumbs again. Last time Intel underestimated AMD, it took almost 10 years until the Duo Core 2 to catch up and leapfrog ahead again.
     
  9. rodneym

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    Look Bill... You started this ****, not me. I simply was telling my story, my experience, you came off all offended, so this is it for me, I'm not your pen pal.
     
  10. The Hammer

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    I always liked AMD. Good luck.
     
  11. Joxx

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    Just out of curiosity, why not the more recent 2600x/2700x ?
     
  12. rodneym

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    Thanks
     
  13. Joxx

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    This is a mess of misinformation o_O
     
  14. rodneym

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    You were right, that was a mess. I just discovered what you meant, by re-reading those articles. I had everything all confused in my mind, by the processor numbering system.
     
  15. Bill_Bright

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    No, actually, it started with this:
    As I said, I like both AMD and Intel. I was simply correcting the misinformation presented. I was not offended. It is you who seem to be taking this personally with unnecessary bold and colorful text, not me. And I am not your pen pal either. My goal is only to ensure users have all and the correct information to make informed decisions. So that's what I am doing.

    I stick to my statement,
    I will add to that by saying to further increase future-proofing, make sure you buy more RAM than you think you will ever need. It is typically much easier (and often cheaper) to buy all the RAM you will need with the initial purchase than it is to upgrade later. Sadly, it is not uncommon users buy too little initially to save money. Then, to increase RAM later, they end up totally replacing those RAM sticks (instead of just adding more sticks) to get that increased amount and/or to ensure compatibility.

    Make sure you factor in any potential upgrades later when sizing up your PSU too. And if you think 512GB of disk space is more than enough, get a 750GB or even a 1TB drive (and would sure recommend going all SSDs).

    One more side point to consider. Yes, Intels tend to cost more. But once the cost of the motherboard, case, RAM, OS and other software licenses, drives, graphics solution (if not integrated), PSU, keyboard & mouse, speakers, and monitor(s) are all factored in, and then spread those costs over the next 4 - 6 years, the added cost of one CPU brand over the other become negligent.
     
  16. rodneym

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    Good day.
     
  17. Bill_Bright

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    Thanks. You too.
     
  18. rodneym

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    Went with the AMD Ryzen 2700X
     
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