Identity Safe?

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by tomdy2k, Feb 23, 2013.

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  1. tomdy2k

    tomdy2k Registered Member

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    Is online banking as safe with Norton as some others that use a sandboxed browser?*puppy*
     
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    It should be
     
  3. tomdy2k

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    Thank you!:)
     
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    I can't comment on Norton's design, but it's worth making the distinction that a sandboxed browser is the opposite of an identity protection application. The former protects your system from the browser (any infections/exploits/etc.) whereas the latter protects your browser from the system (any infection which are currently active and injecting themselves into your browser).

    The key point to make here is that identity protection applications/components serve their primary purpose when your system is infected and the main antimalware didn't detect the infection. A sandboxed browser, or one with similar protection running on it, is useful in all circumstances, and the ideal scenario is when you have both: a browser which is running sandboxed and is at the same time protected by identity protection modules.
     
  6. The Red Moon

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    Could somebody be so kind as to explain what the difference is between these safe banking modules that many security suites offer to a free program like sandboxie.
    Is the principle not the same throughout?

    Ive taken a look at some of these safe banking modules myself and it seems all they do is isolate the browser so why cant i just use sandboxie which achieves the same without all the melodrama that these security companies generate.
     
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    Sandboxing is designed to prevent your PC from getting infected by malware downloads.

    Safe banking software like Trusteer, etc. are designed to protect your data entry, screen displays, etc. while online from things like keyloggers, man-in-the-middle attacks, and the like.

    Best way I can explain it.

    BTW - if your OS is x64, NIS does not protect against code injection, keyloggers, COM badies, etc. So I really can't say its identity protection is bullet proof by any means.
     
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  8. The Red Moon

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    Thank you itman for that explanation.
    Ive tried trusteer and it was a bloated resource eating monstrosity and was quickly uninstalled.
    Once again thanks.:thumb:
     
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    Exactly the way I felt when I tried it.
     
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    Isn't that like using two condoms. It can cause more trouble than help....

    Yup it was gone in 60 seconds!
     
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    The post right before yours:

     
  12. vojta

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    Sorry, double post.
     
  13. cmexx

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    As for me, I use updated browser and plug-ins and never use online banking under Administator account
     
  14. The Red Moon

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    Thank you for pointing this out ,i missed this.But the explanation given kindly by PREVX does not give a clear distinction.
    What is described in that post can be achieved by sandboxie.
    1.sandboxie isolates the browser from the rest of the system.
    2.sandboxie can also prevent any malware on the system from penetrating the browser.

    So in that context there is no difference between sandboxie and these protection modules offered by security companies and im starting to sense that this is all a gimmick by the leading security companies to somehow feel that they have something unique to offer secure online banking,But as i have just explained quite clearly the same protection can be achieved when using free products like sandboxie.
     
  15. 3x0gR13N

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    No, it can't. Malware that is already running on the system can modify the browser running in SBIE as SBIE is designed to keep the system clean instead of preventing malware on the system from doing stuff.
     
  16. The Red Moon

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    What an excellent reply and thank you.Now i would like to see some factual evidence of your claim put before me and i will gladly change my viewpoint if clear evidence of your statement is brought forward but until then i will consider it just an opinion of yours and not really relevant to the original enquiry.

    Now assuming the computer system is 100% malware free then we still have the problem of a clear distinction between sandboxie and "gimmicky" safe banking software.
    If you feel capable of explaining the definitive difference then please feel free to do so.
    Thank you.
     
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    Why not?
     
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    I thought that sandboxes do exactly the opposite. They treat the browser as an untrusted garbage can that must not contaminate the rest of the system.

    But you are the one giving lessons here.
     
  20. vojta

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    Not "we", just you. You are the one that don't know what's the deal here. Read the link that 3x0gR13N posted.
     
  21. The Red Moon

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    Im not convinced and as usual the thread has convoluted into nothing more than hear say and personal snide comments.
    If anybody had read my posts and that given my others there is clearly no distinction given between isolated banking browsers and sandboxie.
    They are surmounting to the same thing which is isolation and containment.
    You can give the generic terminology whatever name you wish but the underlying principal is the same as ive stated earlier in this post.
     
  22. 3x0gR13N

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    Then that's your personal problem of (not) understanding the basic concept that has been explained several times, including in the provided link to the sandboxie forums.

    Banking:
    Sandboxie:
     
  23. The Red Moon

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    I do not have a personal problem thank you but unfortunately you seem to have one with your attitude.
    Anyway The above still suggests isolation and containment.
    Try again and hopefully a clear distinction will be made this time between gimmick safe banking and sandboxie.
    Also if you believe that these safe banking modules will protect you then think again as there is nothing in life guaranteed.
    If an account is created in a far off land under your name and a loan of $$$$$ is also created which probably would not have happened if these so-called safe banking gimmicks had protected you properly then who do you blame.?
    And are the security companies going to re-imburse your loss??
    Not a chance.!
     
  24. 3x0gR13N

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    But in different directions...

    SBIE and banking software are to be used in conjunction (but not at the same time) because they offer different types of isolation, like explained in the above quotes.
     
  25. The Red Moon

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    I know your trying very hard to put some form of clarification into the 2 apparently different technolgies(How they are different is yet to be asertained).
    These safe banking products come with no form of insurance or guarantees and it seems like the security vendors just spew them out to bolster their own products and give the end user a somewhat (in my opinion) false sense of security.
    Again i find these things just marketing gimmicks to make their own products look the rosier of the lot.They use terms like "safe" and "protection" and these comforting words look nice on a security package but unfortunately not one of them backs it up with any sort of guarantee or insurance because they lack the confidence in their own products to do so.
     
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