I want a new laptop with Win11 pre-installed

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  1. bellgamin

    bellgamin Very Frequent Poster

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    I'm still running Win7 on my ancient Dell laptop, & it works great. Because I will be 91 in a couple of weeks, I think it's finally time for me to buy a second computer & play around with learning a new OS.

    REQUEST #1 --- I am seeking a new laptop,14-15 inch screen, under $1000, from an online store, with Win11 pre-installed. If anyone comes across such a laptop, I would VERY much appreciate a link.

    REQUEST #2 --- It's been ages since I bought a new computer. Thus, I am out-of-date when it comes to knowing which brands are usually plums & which are usually lemons. I would VERY much appreciate any comments to help bring me up-to-date.
     
  2. aztony

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    Haven't bought a new computer myself in a couple of decades, preferring to buy recognized quality refurbished units instead. That said, just wishing ya a rockin' 91!
     
  3. Brian K

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    We like Dell laptops.
     
  4. Surt

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    These two make the laptops for just about everyone else. I prefer Asus.

    https://us.msi.com/Business-Productivity/Products#?tag=Modern-Series
    https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/For-Home/Everyday-use/filter?Series=Everyday-use

    The Asus listings are all 10 but they're retailing with Windows 11. The web site needs updating.

    Have fun. Good luck.
     
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  5. Floyd 57

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    When my pc with W.XP died I bought a Lenovo.

    I can afford to recommend that you install a Linux distro on that pc.
    I did that this weekend.
    The learning curve for using Linux is practically non-existent.

    P.S. Congratulations on your age.:thumb:;):)
     
  7. Floyd 57

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    brands don't really matter other than warranty and customer support, it's all about the amount of hardware u can get for ur money. so c heck the subreddits i showed u, especially the 1st one (u can still (and should) ask on the other 3)
     
  8. Bill_Bright

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    Do you really need a mobile computer? If not, I would urge you to get a PC instead. And by far, the main reason I recommend a PC over a laptop is because all laptops are very proprietary. This is because there is no "ATX" type "form factor" industry standard for laptops like there is for PCs. And while most factory made PCs from the big makers have the potential to have some proprietary components inside, they will be no where near the extent as used in laptops.

    The second, nearly as significant reason to get a PC over a laptop is the flexibility. Don't like your tiny 15 inch monitor? No problem! Swap in a 22" or a nice 24" and stop squinting. And stop wrecking your back, shoulders and neck hunching over your laptop. Set your PC monitor at eye-level and your body will thank you for sitting up straight.

    Don't like scrunching your wrists with a tiny keyboard? No problem, get a full size keyboard that allows your arms to approach the keys at a "natural" angle (and height). Change your mind and want a curved ergo dynamic wavy keyboard instead? No problem! Swap in a different one. Want to add more RAM? No problem, add more RAM. Need more drive space? No problem. Add another drive, or two or three.

    Worried about that Li-Ion battery in the laptop going bad? No problem. PCs don't have one.

    And repairs, should they be required, tend to be much cheaper with PCs too. This is because chances are, the parts are not proprietary, but rather industry standard ATX. This means you have vast variety of choice from dozens of different makers - instead of one or if lucky, two choices from the laptop maker only.

    You did not say what the primary purpose of this computer will be but I am going to assume you are not a hard-core gamer, playing the latest, most demanding games. With that in mind, $1000 is a generous budget for a very decent, general purpose PC.

    Another really nice thing about a PC is your local computer shop can custom make, specifically for you and your needs - with you having a say in which components you want in there. And then you have a local shop who knows your computer, should it need repair, or should you want to upgrade it.

    If you absolutely must have a mobile computer, then I would probably consider buying it from Best Buy or another local store. On-line may (maybe not) save you a few dollars, but again, it is nice have someplace local you go and stand in their face until you get the service you deserve, should something go wrong.

    As for brands, because I occasionally need a mobile device, and because my 12 year old Toshiba finally bit the dust :(, I recently replaced it with a MSI Modern 15 A10RAS. It came with 8GB, I bumped that up to 16GB. So far, as laptops go, I've been happy with it. For me, my choice was between MSI and ASUS.

    I suppose Dell, HP and Acer all have comparable offerings, but IMO, they all have gotten too big for their britches. There is also Lenovo that, besides being even bigger yet (world's largest computer maker), no doubt does make good products. BUT - the company (or perhaps it is the government puppet masters behind it) simply cannot be trusted, IMO, due to their long history of repeatedly (not just once or twice, but multiple times) shipping computers with malware and spyware factory installed on them. :( The company is still based in China and still has the same leadership. See also this 2020 report, Lexmark, Lenovo tech funnels data to China intelligence services.

    Again, I am not saying they don't make decent hardware, its all about what they pre-install and embed in that hardware. :(

    Regardless, if you go with a laptop or a PC, I would urge you to go SSD instead of a hard drive.
     
  9. Joxx

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    Bill's right, you should go for a desktop PC.
     
  10. Floyd 57

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    +1

    Not only that but a laptop is MUCH more expensive for the same specs, and u cannot really change anything other than ram and hard drive after u buy it.
     
  11. Bill_Bright

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    Sometimes, not even RAM. Some come surface mounted (soldered to the motherboard). This reduces weight, costs, and thickness because there are no slot connectors. But it also means no upgrade possibilities too. :(
     
  12. NormanF

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    A desktop PC is a no go in my apartment. Don't have the room for one.
     
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    ... And you'd need a UPS, or at least in my neck of the woods I do.
     
  14. xxJackxx

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    Pretty much the case now. I had purchased an Alienware laptop in 2009. You could swap out the CPU, Graphics, RAM, and hard drives. Possibly other things. I bought a new one last year. Nothing upgradable. Nothing. Replacing anything requires a new motherboard. Which I have already had to have replaced under warranty. Then I had to extend the warranty because I don't trust it now. If you buy a laptop get what you want upfront because you're gonna be stuck with it.
     
  15. Bill_Bright

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    Umm, okay. So what? You are not the OP and this thread is not about you getting a new computer.

    That said, I have found folks who say where they live they don't have room for a PC but do have room for a laptop tend to greatly exaggerate their space limitations. I have lived in college dorm and military barracks rooms. With just a little bit of ingenuity, you can fit a lot in a tiny space. If don't have space in the apartment to fit a desk to sit a laptop on, then maybe I will believe there's no room for a tower case.

    I note for example, just about any TV made in the last 10 or 15 years supports computer input. So maybe a monitor is not needed.

    In any case, getting back on topic, we need to wait for bellgamin to return and update us.

    Edit comment: Fixed a couple typos.
     
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  16. Freki123

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    Random thoughts:
    Buy a none glare one (I hate it when I cant see stuff because of sun/reflections)
    The more ram the better and maybe an ssd ;)
    Edit: for under 1k I would start searching for 15,6inch and bigger (but that's only me and my eyes)
    Or go with a real pc if possible/wanted
     
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  17. EASTER

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    So far Dell is been reliable for the latest model here. But that could have been any number of other brands as well. Its just that the advanced hardware with a latest M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD grabbed the spotlight for reasonable cost.
     
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    I agree, I detest laptops. If OP is 90 than I'm sure he would appreciate a larger screen and keyboard as well.
     
  19. imdb

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    couldn't agree more. :thumb:
     
  20. bellgamin

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    It has to be a laptop. I do all my computing in a recliner. Haven't sat at a desk since I retired in 1986. At age 90, my eyesight is just fine whereas my model 1930 chassis prefers my super-recliner, specifically designed for old fuddys like me.

    I just bought a used Lenovo T450s, 12GB ram, i7-5600U 3.2Gh with vPro, 256GB SSD, new battery, with Win11 up & running & fully checked out. I looked at new ones then decided to get a used one to see if I like Win11. I have always had excellent results with used laptops. The one I just bought is on its way to Hawaii, from a Computer Tech in N.Carolina. I have bought from him 3 times before, always good stuff.

    I am still running Win7 - never moved to Win10 - so I suppose Win11 will involve a bit of a learning curve. :eek:

    Aloha to you all from Hawaii. :thumbd::thumbd::thumbd:
     
  21. xxJackxx

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    Good eyesight at 90? That's great. Won't happen for me as I have a few decades to go and am already having issues. If you're coming from Windows 7 you might as well go 11 instead of 10. You'd have a small learning curve wither way. From 7 I don't think it would make much difference with either one. Go for what's new. If you just bought that Lenovo for this purpose I think you should have good luck with it.
     
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    A laptop affords you mobility. Good choice! BTW, I bought a Lenovo a few years ago, and no regrets.
     
  23. plat1098

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    This confuses me slightly.

    But congrats on your used Lenovo purchase (are you still looking or are you done?). It sounds like it's what you actually wanted. And I'm amazed you never landed on Windows 10, I thought that was a universal thing. Clearly, it isn't. :)
     
  24. roger_m

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    My personal choice for laptops is to buy used business models. I find that generally the build and keyboard quality is much better than for cheaper consumer model laptops and after having used business laptops for a number of years now, consumer laptops often feel cheap in comparison. I've been very happy with the quality of business laptops I've owned from Lenovo, HP and Dell. My current laptop, a Lenovo ThinkPad L530 has much better thermal management than the last few HP ProBook and EliteBook models that I owned. On the HPs, I wouldn't take much CPU use for the fan to spin fairly loudly. But on this Lenovo, even under load, the fan will just ramp up for a split second occasionally, remaining quiet enough not to hear the rest of the time. Having said that, I don't know how the thermal management is on more recent HPs.

    It's worth noting that although there are new system requirements for Windows 11, which only computers released in the last few years will meet, you can run Windows 11 on unsupported hardware. So, if you were to buy a used laptop, it does not need to meet the stated Windows 11 requirements. Microsoft say that they limited the supported processors in order to have fewer crashes. It was not done for performance reasons and Windows 11 should run well on any computer that Windows 10 runs well on. In terms of performance, Windows 11 will most likely run as fast as Windows 10 and in some cases will be faster. So you don't have to buy a new system to run Windows 11. Of course, maybe you specially want a new laptop, but it's something to consider anyway.

    Microsoft said that you would not get Windows Updates on unsupported hardware. But fortunately, that's not the case and myself and others are getting updates. The only thing that is not clear at this point is how feature updates to new builds of Windows 11 will be handled. I'm running Windows 11 on a laptop from 2012, and it is running just as well as Windows 10 did, and I haven't found any apps which have issues.

    Having said all of that, I missed your post saying you've already bought one. A used ThinkPad is definitely a good choice :thumb:
     
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    A used Lenovo ThinkPad. Rock solid.
     
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