How to Update Windows XP After End of Support

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  1. Feandur

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  2. trott3r

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    Interesting.
    Will the embedded be exactly the same though or a cut down version?
    I wonder if the updates will be fully compatible.
     
  3. Veeshush

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    If it comes to it people might just include the patches on community made "service packs" like they did for Windows 98 for a while.

    Even if they're compatible I wonder how well they'll actually protect desktop users though. Are they going to get IE patches? Are the embedded systems patched against web based threats or?

    I'll try it on my XP system in a min and report back.
     
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    i doubt many sensible people will still be using IE on XP
     
  5. Veeshush

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    Works I guess. 3 security updates showed up that weren't there before- all Embedded POS labeled.

    • Security Update for WEPOS and POSReady 2009 (KB2926765)
    • Security Update for Internet Explorer 8 for WEPOS and POSReady 2009 (KB2953522)
    • Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 on Windows Server 2003
      (KB2932079)
    So there are IE updates even, but I have no idea how the Embedded updates differ from the regular XP updates, but something tells me they might be separated by more than just licensing. I feel/fear these embedded updates will be tailored to embedded system threats that aren't typical to an average desktop user. Or even if they do offer more protection, I'm thinking MS won't allow this trick to work forever.

    It's a neat trick though. Enjoy it while it last.
     
  6. KeyPer4Life

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    Be aware that the version of IE that is in an Embedded OS is different than the standard
    download. Installing updates for IE8e may cause unwanted functions on the standard IE
    that is on your XP PCs. This is also true for 7 embedded, where using the non embedded
    IE caused it to crash in certain situations.

    Adding this registry entry to XP you cannot remove the entry, only with offline editing
    with load hive.


    Source: msfn.org


    This has already been posted (Has the XP Avalanche of Doom struck yet?) on Wilders Forum.
     
  7. luciddream

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    There are differences (some albeit minor) in the versions between XP & POSR that could cause glitches if applied. I wouldn't do it. The only thing you can still get through WU for XP are the monthly Malicious Software Removal Tools. If you want to bother with them. I think they'll still be pushing them out for another year or so for XP.
     
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    Isn't this against TOS?
    Mrk
     
  10. epsir19

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    just saw these recently:
    http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-warns-against-registry-hack-that-allows-windows-xp-updates
    http://www.zdnet.com/registry-hack-enables-continued-updates-for-windows-xp-7000029851/

     
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    Well I just checked WU for XP yesterday and saw not only the one for MRT that I expected, but also one for IE. So it looks like it's "life" isn't completely over. I'm guessing they'll continue to patch the stuff they consider really critical/important. Not because of people like me, but because of all of the corporate world that is still on it. Money talks.

    So it's life isn't completely ended. It's just on life support... but it's still "support" non-the-less.
     
  12. KeyPer4Life

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    The reg hack key [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\WPA\PosReady] adds & deletes entries from HKLM and HKU root keys.
    Adds a .dat file in temp folder. If you install the security updates it requires a reboot. Could add more entries, but don't know without rebooting. You might have issues and mess up your system.

    POSReady 2009 FAQ:

    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee406170.aspx#Q15
     
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    Microsoft Replies to Registry Hack:

    http://www.zdnet.com/registry-hack-enables-continued-updates-for-windows-xp-7000029851/
     
  14. J_L

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    I was going to try this, but then I thought: "What's the point?". I only have XP under VirtualBox, and in that case usability far trumps some possible extra security.
     
  15. Noob

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    Time to upgrade guys!
    Get W8 or W7.
     
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    Yeah, again, I wouldn't rely on this trick to keep an XP box secure.

    I have other systems that run Win7, I just run XP on an older system. But there is no way you can get away with installing a modern version of Windows on older hardware from early 2000s. Even Linux distros have iffy success on some of the more older rigs. Big iffy gray area of the late 90s early 2000s machines- they can get away with running more modern software, but to put a more modern OS on them you basically have to max out the ram that the boards can take and throw in a more modern video card.

    Basically, I get why some people would still use XP. But I'd also say, if someone's main rig is so old it can't run a modern version of Windows/Linux then it's time to build a new rig and just use their older hardware for some legacy kind of fun.
     
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    I just got a XP netbook. Put the POS reg entry in and received more updates. It won't boot with 2GB so I'm stuck at 1GB RAM. Don't know if I'll pass it on with XP or slap a nix on it.
     
  18. siljaline

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    Patching the wrong product a bad thing?
     
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    Does anyone really expect Microsoft to say anything positive about keeping XP going? Their comments are motivated by profit and control. Anything that keeps XP viable goes against their bottom line. Any statements by Microsoft need to be viewed in that light.
    For all practical purposes, community service packs, updates, etc should be regarded as beta software. The unofficial patches/updates will most likely work, but there are no guarantees. That said, there's no guarantee that Microsofts own patches won't wreck a system. That's happened before as well. I'm not using XP so I can't comment directly on the XP patches or those working on them. I can comment on the community at MSFN in general that produce those unofficial updates. They are good at what they do. Everyone involved helps test the updates. If the work they did with 98 is any indication, XPs best years may be ahead of it, not past.

    Those who wish to continue using XP without official support need to keep one thing in mind. You are now responsible for its support and have to take a more active role. Start with a full system backup. Better yet, separate the OS itself from your data so you can back up one without affecting the other. If you're concerned about registry changes that aren't going to be reversible, make a full registry backup with ERUNT before you make a change.

    If you're really worried about Internet Explorer vulnerabilities, consider getting rid of it. XPLite does this very well. Most non-MS applications don't require it. Of those that do, most can be made to work by using Dependency Walker to find what specific file(s) they need, then add those files to the apps program directory. With IE removed, XPs biggest liability is gone.
     
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    Same here. Embrace the future . . . Hahahaha
     
  22. noone_particular

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    If you're content to let MS dictate that future, be my guest.
     
  23. Noob

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    My main complaint with W8 was the new Start Menu Interface but i've learned to live with it. The first thing i do everytime my PC boots up is go right to the desktop. :D
     
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    Actually, I'll try it anyways cause I'm that bored. Cloned up my current virtual machine and am ready to go. Might as well install Royale on it also.
     
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