Okay. How do you keep WSA from starting up ? I shut it down but at reboot it comes back up ( even in safe mode ! ) I see no setting for it to stay down. So I thought I'll just remove the check mark at start-up in the run mode of msconfig. HA !! It created a new start-up line and started back up ! At least it remove the duplicate line when I put the check mark back in the original start-up line after the reboot. And by the way - after I shut it down and at reboot the UAC panel popped up asking if I wanted to allow WSA to make changes and I click NO and it still came up ! All this came about because my window firewall will not stay up and i think WSA is shutting it down every time I try to start it up. I wanted to shutdown WSA to prove it ( or test it ). Of course there is no uninstall for WSA either for me. I tried to install the latest one but of course it knows already that it was install and so it doesn't bother installing. This is WSA version 220.127.116.11 Thanks !