I have a question for those who have or do use HIPS or Firewalls that are application aware. Why did you start to use these programs to begin with and do you still do so? I started using them because I like computers, have some kind of a knack for understanding them, and not only wanted to know what was going on that I did not see but stop it. For me it was a curiosity thing. I loved having total control over the NIC and any program wishing to use it had to go through the firewall (outpost pro) and my scrutinizing. HIPS did the same thing only with a different set of tools for different purposes. I used PG for a long time, but played with many. I do not use either of these two any more. Somewhere along the way I realized that for all the security I was putting in place, there never seemed to be anything exciting happen to secure against. Since owning vmWare for I think 5 years now, it has changed how I do things anyway. I still have different firewalls and hips in different vmWare snapshots, because I believe they are a very useful tool. I just don't want to have to hand-hold them in everyday business anymore. Sul.