Help. Mouse problems with newer kernels. Do I need a new mouse/ketboard ?

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  1. Ocky

    Ocky Registered Member

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    Refers Kubuntu 12.04/12.10

    I noticed that the entries in the menus of some apps can sometimes not be selected/highlighted - there is a hesitant flickering when passing over with the mouse, disabling effects does not help and also not a nvidia card issue as there are no problems with Scientific Linux.
    I also cannot use tty terminals (1>6) as my login is rejected (password invalid).
    Furthermore I also have this mouse problem with Live CD's using the newer kernels i.e. 3.2x and 3.5x.


    I have now found that the problems are due to the mouse. I know this because everything is fine with an old Logitech mouse I had stored at the back of my cupboard.
    The question now is what to do ?
    The problematic mouse is part of a Microsoft Wirelesss Comfort Desktop 5000 ( i.e. mouse and keyboard). It works off usb (Microsoft 2.4 GHz Transceiver v.6.0).
    Some kernel update may have caused the problem, as it is a new thing and I don't experience the symptoms mentioned before in Scientific Linux 6.3
    Here is what nvidia settings says, Kubuntu and Sc. Linux ......

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     [B]Kubuntu 12.04/12.10 >>[/B]
    
           Section "InputDevice"
                # generated from default
                Identifier     "Mouse0"
                Driver         "mouse"
                Option         "Protocol" "auto"
                Option         "Device" "/dev/psaux"
                Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
                Option         "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
            EndSection
    
            Section "InputDevice"
                # generated from default
                Identifier     "Keyboard0"
                Driver         "kbd"
            EndSection
    
            [B]Scientific Linux 6.3 >>[/B]  No problems.
    
            Section "InputDevice"
    
                # generated from default
            	Identifier  "Mouse0"
            	Driver      "mouse"
            	Option	    "Protocol" "auto"
            	Option	    "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
            	Option	    "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
            	Option	    "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
            EndSection
    
            Section "InputDevice"
    
                # generated from data in "/etc/sysconfig/keyboard"
            	Identifier  "Keyboard0"
            	Driver      "kbd"
            	Option	    "XkbLayout" "us"
            	Option	    "XkbModel" "pc105"
            EndSection
    
                
    
    Have tried changing a few lines in xorg.conf eg. replacing Option "device" "/dev/psaux" with "/dev/input/mice". No luck also with modprobe mousedev.

    Do I need to buy a new mouse/keyboard ?
     
  2. lotuseclat79

    lotuseclat79 Registered Member

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    Hi Ocky,

    Have you tried Ubuntu Forums? They would probably have an inside edge on being able to answer this question IMHO.

    -- Tom
     
  3. Ocky

    Ocky Registered Member

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    No answer from Kubuntu forums, so now copy pasted in Ubuntu forums.
     
  4. mack_guy911

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    Ocky did you try daily live cd/dvd/usb of kubuntu/ubuntu with 3.5 kernel see if its work there on live cd/dvd/usb
     
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    I can't remember with the Kubuntu 12.10 live cd, so will check again, but the 8 year old Logitech mouse works fine, unfortunately I don't have the matching keyboard anymore so only the mouse will work.
    I noticed the same problem using a Linux Mint 13 Xfce live cd. In other words I have absolutely no idea what is going on.
    Tried also the nvidia 3.10 driver and unticked Sync to VBlank in the nvidia OpenGL section.
    No Luck, but that 3.10 driver makes for a blisteringly fast experience. :thumb:

    I will try more stuff including a reinstall.

    Thanks mack_guy.

    PS. It is an intermittent problem, i.e. fine for a while and then resurfaces out of the blue.
     
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    Yes, all live cd's with kernels 3.2.0-23 or higher display the same problem i.e. mouse flickering when hovering over certain menus making selection in some cases impossible.
    Most noticeable in Opera and Klipper.
    By now I have probably tried all I can think of, including setting nomodeset as an additional boot parameter and increasing the monitor refresh rate.
    Nothing doing. I am fast losing faith in all the 'Buntus. Thank the powers that be, my Scientific Linux install is fine and allows me to do my work without nasty mishaps.
    My only slim hope is that one or other kernel update will resolve the problem, otherwise Windows will find a home on my disk.
    My wife is smiling all the way as she has none of this nonsense on her 64 bit laptop running Xubuntu 12.04. Some people have all the luck it seems.
    BTW. The old Logitech mouse I thought was OK turned out not to be.
    <End of rant>
     
  7. BrandiCandi

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    I would guess it's the driver for the mouse in spite of it working in Scientific Linux.

    Driver problems are a huge plague for Linux, I feel your pain. Unless you want to compile your own driver (I have no idea how to do that), you could look at the GNU Linux list of hardware devices that are known to work in Linux. Sometimes it's just easier to start with hardware that works.

    http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw
     
  8. mack_guy911

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    Ocky i suggest you to report a bug yes i sometimes too face strange stupid problem but 99% they solved on next kernel so keep your fingers cross and please report a bug

    also did you try this site as well

    http://askubuntu.com




    http://askubuntu.com/questions/3022/weird-mouse-problem

    also please check compiz as well


    also did you check Accessibility options like dwell....etc turn off
     

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  9. mack_guy911

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    also how about running system testing form ubuntu live cd and checking

    and sending bug report :rolleyes:

    edit:also you can scan entire system and generate a report if its showing bugs you can send them to ubuntu for future fix.
     

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    mack_guy, I will install Windows. :ouch:
    Thanks for your input. The checkbox-qt system testing seems pretty useless. Will try it in live cd. These are from Kubuntu 12.10, they say no nvidia driver loaded :D and silly remark concerning input/mouse not required. :D

    kubuntu 12.11.png

    kubuntunvidia.png
     
  11. mack_guy911

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    ocky dont give up soon remember i have same with SL but i keep trying and you advice me

    and now i am happy atleast i have stable system and thats Linux :D

    and thats because i am used to it now same i never feel on windows yesterday i use windows 7 2nd time in my life and feel so alienated system, too hard and i dont blame it.

    thats because i am not used to it i click few windows at same time and it hangs and i look for kill command :D
     
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    Well, no more mouse problems, I switched to Xubuntu, the long term release, removed Kubuntu and now only boot 2 distros from my desktop.
    Tried Linux Mint Xfce but quickly removed it on seeing that some of the packages are from the pleistocene era even after updating/upgrading, eg. the flashplugin (mint flashplugin). Why they have that as the default instead of the canonical one I don't know. (One wonders what else is old as the hills).

    Everything on Xubuntu 12.04 (64 bit) runs very nicely, but as with all fresh installs I have recently done, being Kubuntu 12.04 and 12.10, Mint Xfce 12.04 and now Xubuntu 12.04, I am unable to use the tty terminals due to 'invalid password' . Looks something like this:-

    login _ ocky
    ^@password_ ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@login failed^@^@
    password_

    I have never had this nonsense in the years I have been using Linux, and think that there is some rarity value here as nobody seems to have experienced this. :D

    getty.png

    I miss Kubuntu. :'(
     
  13. mack_guy911

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    ocky i guess you should wait for kernel update atleast or use back kernel mode and see if its working or use other distro for a while i do that one linux is buggy i use another one when both get buggy i use Windows :D
     
  14. Ocky

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    All sorted, I purchased a new mouse and keyboard, very basic and the scroll wheel makes a noise like a winch, but it cost a ⅓ of my old setup.
    It was the only Logitech I could find which specifically mentions Linux kernel 2.6 and higher compatible.
    From the specs:
    Linux®
    Linux® kernel 2.6+
    Two available USB ports

    http://www.incredible.co.za/ProductDescription.aspx?SKU=75177
     
  15. Mrkvonic

    Mrkvonic Linux Systems Expert

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    I normally always buy the elcheapoest that come around. Strangely, they are Microsoft brand, valued at 5 bucks for keyboard and 6 for mouse :) Work like a charm in any which OS.
    Mrk
     
  16. Ocky

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    Gosh, that is really cheap, equates to about 6 packs of cigarettes (20's) here. Blessed are those who live in the USA. :)
     
  17. mack_guy911

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    USB are cheap and best i have logitical mouse which almost work with all linux distro USB base and old ps2 machinal keyboard working great since my 1st pc which i guess 1992 only problem is keys are study feels like working on soft typewriter :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4nwe7cW_og


    My keyboard

    http://www.flipkart.com/tvs-e-gold-...FTAG&ref=15c26752-2df9-4c2e-8208-1903fb87bfb0
     
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  18. Mrkvonic

    Mrkvonic Linux Systems Expert

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    Perhaps they are, but since I don't live there, I would not know.
    Mrk
     
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