Help Me Choose

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by Rico, Jun 3, 2016.

  1. Rico

    Rico Registered Member

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    This ancient 32bit laptop is currently running:

    360Total Security w/ Bitdefender & Avira = ON & Glasswire

    should leave it as is or change to one of these:

    Emsisoft IS <note trying to dl, set's off Ai protection Asus router

    or

    KIS

    Thanks
    Rico
     
  2. Mattchu

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    You`ve been a member for over 12 years, you shouldn`t really be needing to ask such questions!

    The`re all good options, just make sure you back up (on and offline) important files....
     
  3. Mister X

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    I'd recommend Avira Free. It's issues free along with Sandboxie, if you are planning to use too.
     
  4. Rico

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    I have 3 machine licenses for, EMSI & KIS. I do like all three! Yes! Anyone is good just looking for a consensus opinion for an older less powerful machine

    360 also has a sandbox. Mister X why Sandboxie and Shadow Defender
     
  5. Brummelchen

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    because those rule the world and are fully functional sandboxes or for testing purpose.
    better than all the reast of those called "sandboxes".
    Data? I hope you dont talk about XP, then it might become ridiculous concerning security.
     
  6. lordraiden

    lordraiden Registered Member

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    dont use any av with 1600 post you should know what you are doing I mean if the performance factor is critical.
    Maybe and HIPS and Firewall.
     
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  7. javagreen

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    Emsisoft all the way. I think it'll run better than Kaspersky on that older 32 bit laptop.
     
  8. ArchiveX

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    Tough decision, ah? :D
     
  9. Mister X

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    Because Sandboxie restrains, contains, isolates and restricts (tight and not default config) my browsers and sandboxed programs. It's my first line of defense.
    Next, Shadow Defender as the last line of defense to prevent any change, good or bad in my system (oh yes a very unlikely sandbox escape might occur, no doubt, but never happened to me), so practically my system remains unchanged after every warm or cold reboot, pretty much yeah. Remember, Shadow Defender can't isolate specific programs or restrict programs to prevent malware damage in specific ways just like Sandboxie does.
    In addition, sometimes I install software unsandboxed but for diverse reasons I don't want to keep it anymore then I just click restart and the program is completely gone thanks to Shadow Defender.
     
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  10. Aura

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    Which version of Windows are you running? You don't state it anywhere in the thread.
     
  11. RJK3

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    Sandboxie is mainly designed to isolate threats, but can be pretty powerful security when tightly configured:

    1/ Contain and wipe any infections during higher risk activities like browsing
    2/ Application whitelisting and blacklisting so dropped trojans can't run (anti-executive)
    3/ Network restrictions for processes (firewall)
    4/ Folders/file/registry restriction for processes (similar to SecureFolders, prevent data loss)

    So for most malware a tight config would break the chain of infection, contain it to a sandbox that can be wiped, prevent anything but whitelisted processes from accessing the internet, and restrict the areas of the computer that could be read by a process hijacked by malware.

    Still, Sandboxie isn't designed to protect information security, so the obvious security hole is that if a browser session is compromised in some way, then Sandboxie (by design) won't be able to stop information leaking that the browser has access to. Also you'd need something like Appguard to prevent the memory of whitelisted processes from being altered by malware.
     
  12. Windows_Security

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    Linux Mint or Kubuntu?
     
  13. bo elam

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    By default, sandboxed programs are allowed to do just about anything they want to do within the sandbox and have open access to the entire computer. I believe Tzuk designed the default sandbox that way so new users of SBIE, even the ones with little knowledge or understanding of the program can start using Sandboxie immediately after installing it. To me, that makes sense and is the perfect reason for the default settings sandbox to be the one we first meet when we take our first steps using Sandboxie.

    Regarding protecting the information you have in the computer from getting out without your knowledge, stolen, there are steps you can take to keep personal and sensitive files and folders safe. 1. In Sandbox settings you can block sandboxed programs from having access to personal and sensitive files. If for some reason you have malware running in the sandbox, it won't see the folders and files that you block. It wont have access to them. If malware cant see the files, files cant be stolen. 2. Start Run and Internet restrictions. If malware gets downloaded into the sandbox, if its exe is not in the list of programs that you allow to run, it cant run. If it cant run or connect to the internet, it cant steal your sensitive information or phone home.

    Those three restrictions work great. But is also important to make sure we haven't installed a malicious addon. Malicious addons (extensions and plugins) can hijack the browser and phone home. So, for Sandboxie users that depend on SBIE, this is big. My recommendation is to install as few addons as possible. Only the ones you really need and only ones that are well known, popular. Like NoScript, Adblock plus, addons that have a few hundred thousand users. :)

    Bo
     
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  14. jadinolf

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    I never recommend an antivirus or antimalware program to anyone. What I DO recommend is that you do the work and download and install some programs that catch your eye and try them.

    I did it and it worked for me.

    Just passing along the thoughts.

    Good luck to you.
     
  15. RJK3

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    I can't tell if you're explaining that to me or the OP. If me then - yes, I'd mentioned all that in the post you quoted :)

    A tight config can stop a lot of harm, but it's necessary to know the limitations so that one can look for other layers if they are required.
     
  16. bo elam

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    I was adding to what you said in your post. What I wrote in the last paragraph of my previous post is something that we who use Sandboxie ought to be aware of. We dont read much about that potential problem from anyone (except from Tzuk....and me) when in fact it is something that we ought to be aware of and do something about. I wrote about it, you ignored it as not important and didn't even quote it. Expected. :)

    If you want to talk about limitations in Sandboxie, I think that's the one we ought to tell people about. Sandboxie can not help users keep their data safe if they install addons that are malicious. None of the restrictions that we can apply via Sandbox settings are going to help if you have on board an addon that is malware. The malicious addon can hijack the browser and phone home.

    What you and others (who usually are non SBIE users) call limitations, I dont view them that way. Perhaps the reason for that is because I see the sandbox as a tool. Like a wrench, the sandbox comes in many sizes. Different sizes for different purposes. I would call "limitation" if for example the sandbox came set one way and we couldn't change the restrictions. That would be bad, that would limit what I others can do in the sandbox. But the way it comes and because of the way its designed, I am able to do just about anything I want to do. That was my point, RJ. Its just different ways of seeing the same thing.

    Bo
     
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  17. RJK3

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    Bo, I understand then :)

    Yes Sandboxie won't protect against malicious addons, XSS attacks, clickjacking, phishing, or any other category of in-browser compromise, and nor is it designed to. It won't stop an exploit, but it'll contain it to the Sandbox. A tight config will be able to protect some information security when a browsing session is compromised, but not others.

    I'm just broadly describing what it can do, and what it can't do when I mention limitations. Not a criticism or disappointed expectation. Only with a good understanding of Sandboxie can someone get the most out of it.
     
  18. blacknight

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    I say Emsisoft, but why not Avast ?
     
  19. Aura

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    Because it seems more bloated and instrusive then before. Also, if I understand Wilder's community mindstate, it also invades your privacy by a lot.
     
  20. blacknight

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    Once it was heavy, and not compatible with various hips; but I tried it last week and it worked with my hips. About the privacy, if I remember, but not sure, it is nothing than normal behavior of many av companies: they give some freeware, and they want something, but nothing really worrying. I don't like it, naturally.
     
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    Seems avast may become even more bloated seeing as they are in the process of acquiring AVG technologies.
    Personally i would go for avira.
     
  23. bellgamin

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    All you need: FW + Hitman + Image to a flash drive at least weekly.
     
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