Hacker builds tracking system to nab Tor pedophiles

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  1. mirimir

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    Current events have churned up this 2007-era news on Google.

    Hacker builds tracking system to nab Tor pedophiles
    -http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/hacker-builds-tracking-system-to-nab-tor-pedophiles/114

    I wonder what he meant by "patched TOR server". Hidden service honeypot, or Tor relay?
     
  2. noone_particular

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    Same old tired script. Catch the pedophiles, then start adding other targets. This junk doesn't belong on a Tor relay, no matter what the excuse.
     
  3. box750

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    If you can catch pedophiles, you can catch anyone, there is no way around it, while some governments would use something like that to catch pedophiles others would use it to catch political dissidents.
     
  4. nightrace

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    That's very good Mr Moore. Unfortunately pedos don't use Java or Javascript.
     
  5. Ranget

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    what happend to the Old Fbi pretending to be kids in chatrooms

    anyway Black hackers are doing this to ease their guilt
     
  6. Hungry Man

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    I have to agree here. While I despite pedophiles and would love for some control over the (horrible) situation that is the deep-web I think that TOR is kind of... the one place that shouldn't be touched.
     
  7. dw426

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    Which means people like that will just flock to the places not touched, Hungry. Besides, as said, certain things have to be enabled, all of which a pedo or any other smart user will have disabled. When I used Tor, I had no scripting, no flash, no java, no nothing.
     
  8. Hungry Man

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    Makes sense. And this was 2007 haha
     
  9. dw426

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    That stopped working after many a pedo watched enough episodes of "To Catch a Predator", lol.
     
  10. J_L

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    How does decloak.net work against Tor?
     
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    How will patching a server, that may or may not be used, fix the pedophiles problem?

    The pedophiles problem is an amplified desire in a negative direction or a spiritual affliction. The problem is compounded when a government related organization sponsors hidden networks of abuse to ensnare influential politicians and exert control over their votes and support.
    A computer approach like this will never provide a solution to this issue because it does not affect choice where choice is made.
     
  12. Hungry Man

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    Welcome to our broken penal system. We call it "reform" but all it is is punishment.
     
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    Don't know about Tor, but all I'm getting on JAP (JonDo) and JonDoFox is a blank white page on the test page.

    Actually,that's all I'm getting too direct from my ISP.
     
  14. dw426

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    It's broken because we spend millions, possibly billions a year on prisoners. Those on Death Row stay there almost their entire natural lives, some actually die waiting to die..instead of inserting the needle and moving on with it. When felons get out, there isn't much incentive to "go straight", as nobody but the garbage collecting company or construction (even then only the desperate ones) will allow them to work. Prison "reform programs" are optional, and only taken to reduce time served in most cases. The whole thing is just one gigantic, very expensive clusterf***.

    @Searching: The "pedophile problem" is most often a lack of proper social exposure and generally a mental issue. Neither prison nor an "attack" on them is going to work. Hungry is right that prison is simply punishment. It serves nothing and often makes people even worse. Just as you can't turn a gay person into a straight by locking them up, you can't change the sexual preference of a pedophile that way. The problem is, mental issues are still not understood enough and people (rightly) demand "justice". LEA isn't in the psychological field, they only know "cuff 'em and lock the door".
     
  15. Hungry Man

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    You should read up if you think the needle should just be inserted and we should move on.

    There's this thing called the appeals system and if we didn't have it a lot MORE innocent people would be dead.

    You know how many people have died from the death penalty and then evidence turned up later that exonerated them? Too many.

    But of course removing the death penalty solves that issue.
     
  16. dw426

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    There have not been that many modern cases of wrongful execution Hungry. And, prior to DNA sampling, there still weren't. Do you also realize the appeals system is also incredibly bogged down and flawed? A single appeal can take several years, and there is no set number of them. Only the Supreme Court itself can finalize it and say "that's it". Meanwhile, those for whom evidence is very strong of them committing the crime, get to sit and have everything paid for with taxpayer money..money we increasingly don't have, but is taken from us anyway.

    If a person maliciously kills someone, and there is ample, solid evidence against that person, goodbye, you get strapped in and take the needle. Personally I find even lethal injection ridiculous, bullets are cheaper, and, for those concerned about the "rights" of murderers, less painful and much, much quicker.

    I know in my gut you and I would go round and round with this, so let's just agree to disagree and get back to Tor, shall we?
     
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    Anonymous Hackers Take Down Child Porn Websites, Leak Users' Names - Security News Daily

    As I already stated, you will never cure any disease by treating symptoms. That said, I think this attack accomplished some good, though the good accomplishment wasn't maximized because of premature action.

    What Anonymous should do to maximize the good that they do accomplish before publishing lists of names of pedophiles:

    1. Research the names to validate the identities or determine real names.
    2. Run the list of valid names against the Sex Offender Registry.
    Any matching names can be prioritized for further attacks to collect evidence which can be forwarded to LEA. You remove the offenders that are the easiest to deal with because they already have a looming threat that can be exploited.
    3. Of the remaining valid names, determine threat potentials such as community, government and other organizational involvements. These are the hidden pedophiles who have not been exposed to any form of justice for their crimes and are the most dangerous.
    4. Instead of threatening Freedom Host and revealing the cards anonymous held, they could have spent more time researching the owner/s who are now MIA and will be more difficult to catch. You can not catch some fish with worms because they have learned to avoid worms from previous near catches.
    5. Create a working subgroup that can take the primary raw target data collected and provide actionable data inorder to maximize the good.
    6. Attack bridges, i.e. Toy companies, some of which have been built by or for the pedophiles. This could be a target rich data pool to harvest and catch pedophiles.

    I think this would make Anonymous much more effective and worthy of public support.
     
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    Certainly isolation and environmental variables contribute, but they do not supersede the will power of an individual. If by "mental issue" you mean desire, will, and intention, I agree but would add the spiritual afflictions of obsession and possession to the sublist also.
     
  19. dw426

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    Not until they stop pulling these stunts :http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/10/anonymous-law-enforcement/. They are a vendetta group, pure and simple. They don't have the balls to forward anything to LEA, nor would they as long as LEA is on their hit list. If the protesters on Wall Street ticked them off, they'd be on the list too. These people are long past the days of "freedom fighting", now they care about publicity and revenge.
     
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    Those suggestions are not within the realm of possibility, considering the fact that the leaked list of 1,589 "names" is actually just a list of pseudonyms. That should come as no surprise, as it would be unfathomable for someone to use his real identity on a site like THAT.

    From what I gather from this screenshot of the Freedom Hosting home page, it's basically an "anything goes" provider that doesn't appear to cater to, nor condone, any specific type of illicit behavior. Unless the case can be made that their servers are being used exclusively for hosting illegal data, attacking going after the host in such a manner is not the answer. As is often the case with these types of attacks, there's way too much risk of collateral damage to legitimate sites. The notion of trying to bring down a hosting provider is tantamount to shutting down the entire TOR network just because of a few nefarious users.

    The way I see it, the real motive/reason behind "Operation Darknet" is:

    1. An attempt to sway public opinion of Anonymous so that they'll be portrayed as the "good guys".

    2. Because it's an easy target, less likely to attract the attention of law enforcement (or they're hoping L.E. will just turn a blind eye to it).

    :isay:
     
  21. Dude111

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    No its total misuse for the service!

    Its amazing the ~ Snipped as per TOS ~ fell for it!
     
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    That's a good question. Because as far as I know, it can't.
     
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    Yep. I think you are right on. Right at firstv I had some respect for these guys. But now I think it's all just a game....all for show.
     
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    There was a time when Anon, though they had their moments, were an overall good group of people who really meant well. Unfortunately, they became popular, became a "scene". Of course, when that happens, people flock to it and not always the kind of people you want. The group splintered up, divided itself into "agendas"..and then LulzSec came along and really just destroyed anything positive about the group. The attention seekers and script kiddie crowd who get mad at something on a whim took over, leaving the original Anon to wither away, and, of course, any positive actions they do now end up being "just another operation by the digital terrorist group".

    The glory days are gone, and the damage is far too much for them to gain those days back. The organization is dead, all that remains is chaos and "sets".
     
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