Discussion in 'other anti-malware software' started by trjam, Nov 11, 2006.
Still think this is the way to go. here
Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it too.
I've always been bothered by the fact the AV's continue to suck at 0-day protection.
GB is good, but (in my opinion) is overpriced seeing that GesWall & Sandboxie do ~ the same job for free. Another candidate is DefenseWall -- it tested with exceptionally high results, & -- although not free -- it costs significantly less than GB.
Me 2! I have just installed it on one of my notebooks and it seems to work well.
I'm curious if this approach will protect a PC from silent malware installations?
I tested Greenborder extensively for myself and a small group and found with that version of GB, would sometimes freeze up or need restarting on some real situations (porn/warez pages dropping all sorts of infections) although no malware got through (I do not know if there was a problem with GB, but generally the program worked well with no slow-down.) I think I'll look at GB again but one thing bothers me also with this software, I agree with bellgamin, the price.
I think I'm about to purchase GB. It outperforms Sandboxie on all independent tests I've checked. Yeah, Sandboxie is free, but GB is considered "professionally implemented" and their customer service is excellent so far. (They even volunteered to call me with tweaking for streaming, etc.)
Just checked their website and see they are offering 2 years for the price of 1. (One year is $29.95) I've also left a rating at download.com after trying it for 30 days, if you want to check out my thoughts there. To me, I'd rather pay and have 100% test results than get free and have 90% test results. I mostly use freeware, so for me to fork over 30 bucks for an app, it must be something special.
I just tried it out and I don't really like it too much.
The first thing I did was open up task manager and saw 6 different greenborder processes running in the background... I mean come on. That's a huge turn off for me.
While I was using it I noticed everything I did on my PC was a bit slower than normal.
I guess I prefer security that is light and runs smoothly in the background, giving decent protection without slowing the system down. I like knowing my security is there, but not "feeling" it (if that makes any sense).
With GB, I definitely felt its presence on my system.
But that's just my opinion. I'm sure it offers great protection, but it's just not my cup of tea. Maybe if they lower its resource usage and trim it down to like 1 running process instead of 6, it might be more like what I am looking for.
I have removed it to. Lays its hands, way to deep onto my system.
I totally agree. However, I have had a very different experience with GB than you have had. It has not impeded my system's speed, conflicted with any software, or been intrusive, other than stating on launch of Firefox that it is now within GB's zone. I find it "runs smoothly in the background" and doesn't hog any of my resources. However, you are not the only person to have these issues with GB. (Trjam, can you be more specific on what "it lays its hands on deep within your system"?)
Since GB has a 30 day demo period, everyone can try it out for their own system and see if it works for them as it does for me or for you. Cheers.
Sure, I went to do a uninstall and it left behind a folder in My Documents/Application Data, that in no way on earth, it could be deleted. Everytime I would scan it would kick Nod off.
Very interesting thread because I am experiencing sort of the same problem.
There is a part of GB that can not be deleted from my system no matter what I do, it is found in My Documents/Application Data.
I have tried using Unlocker but nothing happens, this is very frustrating.
I ended up doing a reformat on that pc. If you contact support now, they will send you a zip file to delete it with.
I will get right on it.
This may be a poor assumption, but NOD32 definitely fits your profile. Do you use it? What security applications do you run?
Being light on system resources is a requirement for me too as I have an older computer. My problem? Finding programs that fit the bill. Would love yo know what you ae using.
I have tried both Greenborder and Sandboxie and I like Sandboxie much better due to lighter weight on sys resources and the fact that Sandboxie allows you to Sandbox whatever program you want. It also has more clean up options.
Sandboxie is a $25 license while Greenborder is a yearly fee. Easy choice!
I guess that all computers are different. I use Greenborder and have done so for some time. It works very well for me, seems light and has run without problems. I find it gives peace of mind when banking or shopping.
What works for one machine may not work for another! however it works nicely for me.
I also like its simplicity and the fact that you can save favourites.
For me, an imaging software + HIPS + light firewall + common sense is all I need. As long as you know what you are doing and don't do foolish things, you wont get infected. At least in my case, I have yet to see malware get on my PC. Im just very cautious. I also revert to a clean image at least once/twice a month just incase. This is a good setup for me as I am the only one who uses my PC. If you have a PC that the whole family shares then this type of protection wouldn't do you any good. GreenBorder might be a good choice in that situation.
Anyways, my imaging software is Acronis TI. My HIPS was GSS but now I switched to SSM (I love GSS but it seems like there is no support for it by the developer at the forum anymore). My firewall has always been looknstop (it's very very light). I often forget that I even have protection running in the background. That's how I like it
Yeah, security is always something for the next guy - you know, the type of common folks without common sense.... (sorry, couldn't resist)
Unfortunately, while common sense helps it is not enough. Take for example the Microsoft exploit (was it the GDI+ exploit?) that surfaced a couple of years ago, where a buffer overflow in the jpeg rendering engine was exploited. In that case, all that a hacker needed to do was to put a carefully crafted jpg onto a popular website (for example, an Avatar image on WilderSecurity or an ad on a major news site) and he owns any machine (that visits the page) that isn't patched to mitigate the exploit.
Common sense wouldn't help there, unless 'common sense' in your mind means not visiting any web sites? Nope, didn't think so...
A good HIPS will easliy stop that threat. Besides, did I say all I use is common sense? Nope.
I said "For me, an imaging software + HIPS + light firewall + common sense is all I need." The keywords there are "For me". So obviously it's not the solution for everyone, and it most likely isn't the best solution. But it works for me. And like I said, I have yet to see malware infect my PC, and I really believe it is mostly because of common sense. Ask any of the experienced members here at Wilders and they will all tell you, common sense is by far your best protection.
Re-read my post... I never said it was
I dont know. There is the "old" and there is the "new". And for me, the old still holds an advantage. Guess I am just a "scanner" type person. HIPS has their place, but sure as hell doesnt have the track record of scanning. At least for now.
The main reason I don't like scanners (like antiviruses) is because they won't protect you from 0-day threats like the one brekmeister posted above (back when it first came out of course). A HIPS also has its flaws and unfortunately there is no 100% effective solution.
Now, I'm not saying common sense (safe hex) is all you need but yeah, I strongly feel that it is one of the best ways to stay clean
Here is an interesting article:
The best thing to do is try different security setups and stick to the one you feel most comfortable with.
Unfortutely, I don't think the average Joe can go with a suite like you have. Many of us need software that makes decisions for us.
With safe surfing habits you avoid many threats. But for the few times that I do encounter a nasty, I need software that takes the decisions pretty much out of my hands.
I agree with you ejr.
What works for one won't work for all.
Using security software that you are comfortable with is the most important.
And their isnt any solid facts that say a Hips will give you 100 percent zero day protection. Human intervention and human error. Personally I think you will get no more protection if that day occurs then you would get with a solid AV. It will all depend on how it goes down.
trjam, we're going around in circles here. That's exactly what I said...
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