Google Plans to Launch Censored Search Engine in China, Leaked Documents Reveal

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  1. mood

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    Google Plans to Launch Censored Search Engine in China, Leaked Documents Reveal
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    https://theintercept.com/2018/08/01/google-china-search-engine-censorship/
     
  2. mirimir

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    Oh, well.
     
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    Google Is in China Cloud Talks With Tencent, Others
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    Yes I saw this, Baidu got hammered on the stock exchange, not surprisingly. I remember when I was using Yahoo, Lycos and Ask Jeeves back in the days, then came Google with a vastly superior product.
     
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    Senators grill Google over rumored China search engine
    They want to know what changed since Google left the Chinese market nearly a decade ago.
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    https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/05/google-censored-search-engine-china-senators-letter/
    letter (PDF): https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/9b139bf6-d0c1-4969-aaf2-4a4aede8ed35/397FE4632728A13B6EEABDB5956550AC.8-3-18-letter-to-mr.-pichai-re-censorship-in-china.pdf
     
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    Google tracked banned words to refine rumored China search engine
    It may have been studying these search terms for years.
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    https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/08/google-used-site-to-refine-censored-china-search-engine/
     
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    Test bed for else where. <grin>
     
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    Damn, I'm glad that I don't live in China. Or pretty much anywhere in the Middle East.
     
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    Google Staff Tell Bosses China Censorship is “Moral and Ethical” Crisis

     
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    Yup. My thoughts exactly.
     
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    I do get, of course, concerns about Google (re)launching in China, and agreeing to cooperate with its government.

    On the other hand, how different is that from Google's compliance with the "right to be forgotten" in the EU? Or from other forms of court-ordered censorship in the UK? Or from various sorts of censorship by the US etc?
     
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    Google Executives Misled Staff in Meeting on China Censorship. Here Are 13 Questions They Must Answer.

     
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    Isn't it likely that Dragonfly started before, or soon after, Google exited the Chinese market, some years ago?
     
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    Probably so, but the censorship has been increased and intensified more widely in the time since Google's first venture. So compliance becomes more questionable now?
     
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    This stupid Pichai guy is a greedy corrupted moron. He should resign from his position.
     
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    Sure. But what are Google's options? They can refuse to cooperate with the Chinese, and be accessible only through VPNs. Not even via Tor, given how they block Tor users. And now that Google has acknowledged that the EU can censor them, it becomes harder to argue that it's immoral to let China censor them. Also, the Chinese market is huge. And I'm sure that refusal to cooperate with the Chinese limits their ability to profit in that market.

    So both practical morality and profit motive argue for participation.

    Personally, I'd rather see something like Google that operated outside all jurisdictions, and was entirely uncensored. And not advertising driven. But so it goes.
     
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    Indeed, dollar-desire is usually the ultimate motivator/decider, even at sometimes questionable impact/cost.
    Sorry, but I see your argument about the European compliance as a slightly 'apples v oranges' view.
     
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    China's National Cybersecurity Standards Considered a Risk for Foreign Firms
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    Google employees are reportedly resigning over China search efforts
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    Google China Prototype Links Searches to Phone Numbers
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    Ex-Google employee calls for more transparency about China search project
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    Google confirms Dragonfly project in Senate hearing, dodges questions on China plans
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    Report: Google to launch censored Search in China despite denials
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    https://thenextweb.com/artificial-i...nch-censored-search-in-china-despite-denials/
     
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