Future of NOD32...

Discussion in 'NOD32 version 2 Forum' started by rdsu, Jun 15, 2004.

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  1. WilliamP

    WilliamP Registered Member

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    I certainly agree wtih the posts of D+C and Alec. I feel that a layered defense is the way to go. I can see how keeping all security up to date for all the different versions of malware for one program would be a monumental task.
     
  2. Dazed_and_Confused

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    Monumental, yes. :) In addition to a great risk for the user. When I play golf, it's nice to have more than one club in my bag (although my husband does always seem to win :( . )
     
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  3. Mele20

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    So, there is no truth to what I have been hearing that Eset is moving the board in house partly because of complaints?

    As for no one being treated hostilely on the old board software, when this NOD32 forum was created, it had that nasty ability to give negative karma. That was so ugly and so unnecessary. I got a lot of it just because NOD32 public beta ate my entire Sent Items mail folder which had 5000 messages in it and I was upset. It couldn't tell the difference between a folder and a file and I had the unlucky opportunity to be the user who discovered this bug. I didn't need negative karma. It was hurtful and I try to forget that but it is not easy. I agree the board members are nicer here now. I left NOD32 for PC-Cillin precisely because of the nasty people here who, at the time, were incapable of hearing any criticism of their precious NOD. I only decided to start using NOD32 again mostly because I had noticed this board was getting less hostile and that Wilders had done away with that cruel bad karma stuff.

    SS is right on target. In the past, it has been very difficult to use NOD32 and post here if you have valid criticism. That is much less true today. Thank goodness.
    Ironically, I had just been assuring SS that this board was not nearly as hostile/defensive as it used to be and then he comes here because of trusting me and gets bludgeoned. One long term member cheering on the "suck it baby" member. Why wasn't that moderated?

    Over at DSLreports, those of us who champion NOD32 have our most difficult work being that of convincing people that this board is not made up of a bunch of hostile nuts. That is still the general perception which was generally a valid description back when this board came into existence. I don't think it is true today but people have long memories and this hostility is frequently the first thing brought up. The attitude here even got into Kobra's thread over at dslr and much of NOD32 bashing stems from the over defensiveness of members here in the past and to some extent (such as "suck it baby") today.
     
  4. LowWaterMark

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    Actually, the "suck it baby" reference is from Kojak, which is StraightShooter's avatar. While that remark taken out of that context is over the line, it becomes borderline within that context. It's a fine line we have to walk and it isn't always easy. When we remove too much we're accused of censorship, when we don't remove enough people complain about that, too. :doubt:
     
  5. Dazed_and_Confused

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    Thank you. :)

    While I don't agree with SS's desire that NOD32 address each and every type of threat (Pornwareo_O??), I also DON'T think his question was out of line (trolling). But just because one poster didn't agree with SS's question is no reason to label everyone here as hostile.
     
  6. Q Section

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    VaMPiRiC_CRoW - you might look at this link to see what other Wilders posters have said about a single program doing it all.

    Best wishes!
     
  7. sig

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    "So, there is no truth to what I have been hearing that Eset is moving the board in house partly because of complaints?"

    I don't have a clue, Mele, but if your source for this info is a poster recently banned from this site, in other forums he apparently has shown himself to be somewhat creative in his recollection of events and discussions. So I wouldn't give it credence unless/until it is confirmed by ESET and Wilders.

    As for complaints about the NOD forum, most of the complaints I've seen from posters who don't have a predisposed agenda or antagonistic attitude and therefore have an (or perhaps additonal) ax to grind if they're rebuffed, is that there isn't always a timely response from ESET reps. Often a great deal of the support here is from other users and Wilders mods rather than ESET. There'd be a great many more complaints about lack of support or responsiveness IMO if it weren't for other (occasionally cranky) users here. ;)

    Often it's a matter of how a poster presents himself and his issue. While SS asked reasonable questions here (and some others might not "get" his manner of posting and so take offense or umbrage or whatever), I'm afraid his posting history and occasional dropping by this forum to tweak users and the product may have tried others' patience.

    Some other product support forums I've seen wouldn't be as lenient (or as gentle) as this one has been toward antagonistic posters, OT discussions or criticism of the product, valid or not. Such posts and posters would be summarily "disappeared" at a minimum. ;) Here a good deal remains public, for good or ill; others may draw whatever conclusions they will.
     
  8. Blackspear

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    Well said Sig :)

    My issue wasn't the question, rather the ending remark by SS "I guess she thinks the beta will win me back to the NOD32 crowd", it just seemed to be a fishing expedition, waiting for someone to strike back. If you don't like Nod, why come here and gripe about it, go to the forum of your chosen AV and talk it up there...

    Most of us are here to learn and help others :D

    Cheers :D
     
  9. Paul Wilders

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    Rumors... :D We have no indication in any way this is going to happen in the near future. That said: Wilders and Eset don't signed an "everlasting" commitment on the subject. In case Eset feels the need to move their forum(s) in board somewhere in the future, we will surely part as good friends. It's Eset's perogative to host their forums wherever they want to - as it it ours to invite and decline requests from security software vendors in regard to hosting their software support forum(s). FYI: we have declined many such request in the meanwhile, if only because we firmly believe in hosting just one dedicated software forum for each branch in order to avoid conflicts of interests and we are rather picky: we only want to host top notch software forums.

    Well, many liked this karma stuff - others disliked it. In the end, it was no more then a gadget, allowing registered users to express their opinion. Furthermore, we eliminated the "bad karma" possibility along the way on the old board, leaving members only with the option to "applaud" while "thumb downs" had been eradicated - as shows in the Archives. Anyway, we have dropped the karma stuff althogether when moving to this board software :)

    No offense intended in any way, but Beta-testing comes with the usual risks, and participating in it is a free personal decision. You might encounter sortalike problems while Beta-testing as you do right now. I for one do applaud you (as well as others) for participating. As a rule, Beta-testers should make sure to have a solid back up (software) available IMO in order to keep out of trouble.

    I sincerely do hope I've commented on this one to satisfaction right above.

    I do refer to sig's reply in this context; worded very well IMHO :)

    Well, all boards have their specific public - DSLR is no exception to the rule. Personaly, I haven't encountered such an attitude over on the DSLR Private Security Forum or from Justin or from WCB. And you would be surprised how many DSLR members are members over here as well, posting very often in a constructive and positive way - in the NOD32 forums as well :)

    Ahh..Kobra again :rolleyes: It's sufficient to state he has been banned from the UK Kaspersky Support forum, and over on DSLR he has been reprimanded severely by WCB - and on both case not because of anything related to NOD32.

    LWM has addressed this one rather well in the meanwhile :)

    best regards,

    paul
     
  10. Bubba

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    and with that We can all try to get back to the threads intended purpose\question Please.

     
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