Future of NOD32...

Discussion in 'NOD32 version 2 Forum' started by rdsu, Jun 15, 2004.

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  1. rdsu

    rdsu Registered Member

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    Hi,

    I want to know if the developers of NOD32 will improve the detection of Trojans in the future?

    I never had problems with NOD32, but it seems that will be better if we have a great global protection.

    In my opinion, the NOD32 is a great AV, that have a great GUI, excellent virus detect, the best configuration of all the AV's that I know, use low resources, incremental updates regularly, but I saw in this forum that all the AV’s should have a great detection of Trojans instead of only have for virus.

    The new version of IMON will detect more Trojans?

    Thanks
     
  2. rdsu

    rdsu Registered Member

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    It's so difficult to respond to this question!?
     
  3. Slovak

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    Since ESET is always silent about what they do, I guess we will know those answers when ESET fixes or releases them.
     
  4. Marcos

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    The new HTTP scanner will be capable of scanning archives internally, taking advantage of advanced heuristics and other features. Detection of trojans will be improved in AH soon.
     
  5. rdsu

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    Thanks for your reply ;)

    I hope that you have a good work on it...
     
  6. Eliot

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    I will second that post :cool:
     
  7. steve1955

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    Start living in the real world no software developer is going to respond to a question like that,basically asking if the next release will be better!by saying:-"no we haven't improved it in fact we've made it slightly worse"
     
  8. WilliamP

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    Don't get me wrong,I'm not defending anyone ,but trojans are the reason I have TDS3. Where does the anti virus end and the anti trojan start? I feel that you should have both types of protection. NOD is an anti virus.
     
  9. rdsu

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    Yep, but now we need a program that protect us from Malware. Why have a lot of programs when we can have one?
     
  10. Pigman

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    Because a really nasty piece of malware could disable that super-cool AV/AT, scramble up your registry, wipe half your HD, and leave you with nothing?
     
  11. sir_carew

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    In my big collection of trojans (most are backdoors) AH detect most without signatures. Currently AH is excellent detecting new backdoors. Indeed one of the best.
     
  12. Pigman

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    Pardon my ignorance, but what is AH?
     
  13. rdsu

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    Advanced Heuristics...
     
  14. Mele20 told me the Beta is that's going around now does much better with trojans...

    My questions...
    1. How about spyware?
    2. Riskware?
    3. Pornware (LOL)..

    I guess she thinks the beta will win me back to the NOD32 crowd.... :doubt:
     
  15. TheQuest

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    Hi, Straight Shooter

    You flatter yourself if you think they [Eset] are making the beta or any final
    release of their product for YOU.

    You stay with what you like and trust, that you choice.

    And bad mouthing thing you do not, or say you not use.

    Which is never really constructive when you do. [which seem often]

    So suck it BABY.:D

    Take Care,
    TheQuest :cool:
     
  16. Blackspear

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    I see someone trolling for a bite, any good strikes yet? Awwww come on, surely you can do better than this.... :rolleyes:
     
  17. Blackspear

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    LOL, nice :D :D :D

    Cheers :D
     
  18. Eliot

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    When its all said and done, look what I run. NOD32. :eek:
     
  19. Give me a break... When did asking a question, being curious as a FORMER NOD32 user, and telling the truth become trolling?
     
  20. Mele20

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    You know I have been absolutely furious with SS in the past and even had him on block for a long time over at our home site. But I have say that I think he is right this time. I don't perceive his question as trolling. Hostile reponses here just feed the perception by many that NOD32 users are nasty MF who are incapable of accepting any criticism of NOD32. As an example just look at the long, now locked, thread by Kobra over at dslr mostly about NOD32. (I got put on post watch over there for defending NOD32). When I was a new user of NOD32, this forum greeted me with extreme hostilty also. This attitude does not win new users to NOD32. Rather it reinforces the idea that NOD32 has a great deal to hide.

    I'm giving SS the benefit of the doubt here. If he actually begins trolling then I will feel differently.
     
  21. Suck it baby?? Thank you... It looks to me like you're a piece of work... LOL

    I sincerely want to thank Mele20 for her kind response..I feel bad about the fact that even if NOD32 becomes "What I want it to be", I probably still won't go back to it, NOT because of the product, but because of the "infantile mentality" of some of the users/posters of this forum. I was simply asking a question, and I want to thank Mele20 for saying I didn't mean to troll, because I sincerely didn't...But I will say one thing... The extremely hostile, "cultish" behavior of SOME, NOT ALL, NOD32 users is very well known and it's probably the biggest reason, weighing everything else, I decided a while ago, not to use the product anymore.... Sure, there are a couple of things I like about NOD32, but it isn't so much the product's shortcomings that kept me from it, rather it's the attitude that prevails when I, or someone else, would point out something to the effect that I just did... Oh, by the way, almost all the major players in the AV business are starting to detect what was asking about...NAV, KAV, McAfee, EZTrust, etc, etc.. If NOD32 could detect a high percentage of the above with AH, wouldn't you think I'd be interested? Then again, I don't have to prove my sincerity... Thank you Mele, for standing up for me.. I appreciate it, really...I didn't like Kobra's posts too... for what it's worth... The title of this thread was "The future of NOD32"...

    There's no point to this...I'm outta here...LOL..
     
  22. Paul Wilders

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    Well, let's get things in perspective here ;).

    1) Marcos addressed the issue on topic in this thread - and others joined in on topic.

    2) Shooter - as a matter of fact everyone is free to start his/hers own new thread on all not covering the topic at hand.

    3) Last - but far from least: records show 99.9% of all who did post over on the NOD32 support forums, never ever encountered any hostility - on the contrary. In case anyone feels the need: just check all threads ;). Both Eset and fairly all those coming over here are quite satisfied in regard the Eset Support Forums are functioning - and so are we.

    That said: although both Eset and our team do their upmost to keep all running smooth, there's no way to prevent people joining in with a suspicious agenda (0.1 percent). Comes with the territory of being open: no board registration needed thus allowing guest to participate for example. We'll have to live with the (seldom) consequences coming with this.

    regards.

    paul
     
  23. Dazed_and_Confused

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    "Many"? :eek: That seems a little extreme (not to mention downright inaccurate).

    I believe the Kobra issue has been discussed at length before. My understanding is that it had nothing to do with his criticism of NOD32. :rolleyes:

    I didn't have that experience. Just the opposite, as a matter of fact. :) One of the reasons I chose NOD32 over KAV and other contenders is because of THIS support forum and the great people here. Thanks to everyone here to making this a GREAT user support tool! :D
     
  24. Alec

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    I'm a fairly new NOD32 user and I certainly wouldn't consider myself to be obsessively devoted to it. If there is a better product out there for my needs, then I will be happy to look at it. However, it seems to me (based on my albeit limited experience in watching these types of debates) that Eset kind of gets a bum rap on the anti-trojan front.

    Straight Shooter says that "Oh, by the way, almost all the major players in the AV business are starting to detect what was asking about...NAV, KAV, McAfee, EZTrust, etc, etc." But I find that intriguing because just last night I was over at a relative's house and they asked me to take a look at their "slow" computer. They swore that they used NAV religiously and kept it up-to-date. And, sure enough, it was apparently running and up-to-date. Nevertheless, they had some 70+ active processes running on this system... obviously much of it malware. I killed as many of these by hand as I could, just so I could utilize the system to perform scans in a reasonable time frame, but some utilized 2 or 3 simultaneous processes that would resurrect each other. A scan by Trend Micro found a couple of trojans, but it took dedicated anti-trojan tools (Trojan Hunter & Ewido Security Suite) to find and eliminate 13 various trojan strains (as I recall). Additionally, AdAware and Spybot Search & Destroy each found 200+ spyware problems. Even after this, I doubt I have found all the malware problems. I sort of ran out of time to try a bunch more tools. I know that I ended up deleting one problematic executable by hand because none of the tools yet had detected it (for the curious, it was a program called WToolsA.exe and WSup.exe).

    Anyway, my point is this... that certainly the goal of a single tool to eliminate malware is admirable, however I personally have not seen any single tool that even come close to this goal... not NOD32, not NAV, not KAV, not Trend Micro, not McAfee, not TDS-3, not Trojan Hunter, not PestPatrol, not AdAware, not any of them that I have tried. And, don't get me wrong, this is not a knock against the developers. I know developers are probably working their butts off for us; but for the foreseeable future, I think people are just going to have to have multiple tools for multiple categories of malware in their arsenal.

    So while I understand that because NOD32 does have some really nice qualities that may make some people want to hold it to a higher standard, I nevertheless don't know why so many expect it to overnight be able to detect and clean every type of malware imaginable. I honestly don't see any of other anti-virus vendors really doing that much better of a job at trojan detection (with the exception, perhaps, of KAV). I haven't, of course, done exhaustive empirical studies and analyses, but my antedotal experience certainly doesn't lend credence to the alleged claims of noticeable superiority of anti-trojan detection made for many of the other AV utilities.
     
  25. Blackspear

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    Nice post Alec :D

    Cheers :D
     
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