France wants more control over the Internet

Discussion in 'privacy general' started by Joxx, Dec 7, 2015.

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  1. Joxx

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    From article:
    "France wants to introduce security measures which could outlaw the use of encrypting software for anonymous connections and public Wi-Fi..."
    So that means "security" measures that wouldn't increase security and would OTOH lower privacy and freedom. Logical...
     
  3. Joxx

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    It's been that since 9/11
     
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    Logical for a system evolving to a global fascist government.
    This is the classic "Problem > Reaction > Solution" formula.
    But please don't reply to my comment this way hopefully won't derive into a political topic which is not allowed.
     
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    I question how far this would go. What I think has happened here is that the French government has asked its agencies what potential options could we employ to secure France. I think that the proposed options were deliberately leaked to see what level of outrage the public would have against them. Then if the outrage is excessive then they can denounce any knowledge.
    It is also possible that this is a distraction so that they could introduce something more moderate and less likely to be unconstitutional.
     
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    if French Gov. want introduce some not "popular" or "troublemaking" laws , they do it when the National Assembly is at minimum representatives, so the law pass easier.

    i think @driekus is right, they check the people 's reactions, the actual president is quite encline to step back on his announcements, he did before and will do in the future.

    (note: i'm French)
     
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    What is your view on the legality/constitutionality of such a proposal in France?
    I am in Canada and I dont believe there are constitutional barriers to a proposal like there are in he US. Curious if France has the same barriers.
     
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    so all depend of the politics, if they are in favor or not, of course masses' voices may alter they decision especially near the elections :D

    Not to say in France we have an organization that guard the french citizens privacy and personal datas.

    for example, French websites must warn visitors that they use cookies.
     
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