Firefox developers boycott Mozilla CEO over equal rights

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  1. Pinga

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  2. Wroll

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    Oh, yeah, the beautiful politics of 21st century: the two extremes at play always hurting the moderate middle man.
     
  3. Mrkvonic

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    First world troubles ...
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  4. RJK3

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    Pathetic, boycotting someone because of their opinion. It's the same as the idiots boycotting a brilliant movie like "Ender's Game" because they didn't like Orson Scott Card's opinions.

    I can see both sides of the issue, but I'm really tired of how aggressively intolerant the pro-gay-marriage crowd are.
     
  5. Gullible Jones

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    Well yeah, people are entitled to their opinions, but I like how this guy made his Prop. 8 donation in the name of the company. Bit of a conflict of interests there.

    ... IOW "sit down and shut up, your problems don't matter because worse ones exist." Yay.
     
  6. Joxx

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    the dictatorship of political correctness
    that's the Great Socialist Experiment at its best
     
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    I fail to see what 'political correctness' has to do with social realism. This is a conflation propagated and engineered by the tendentious ideological dogmatism of the right-wing. Its only purpose is to foment anger and cause problems for those whose ideals don't reflect mass market consumerism.

    Sorry ... rant over ... ;)
     
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    There's no left & right. I recommend I'm all right Jack movie to understand the left & right wing politics. There's no documentary or book that can explain better the left & right politics than this movie.
     
  10. Mrkvonic

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    Well, let me elaborate.

    First, whatever people do in their private life is their business.
    Second, companies have certain policies.
    If the two do not conflict, fine.

    So this guy, whoever he is, has he harmed anyone at THEIR WORKPLACE because of his stance? Or has Mozilla prevented the employment of any one individual based on certain non-equal-right criteria? If not, then all is well, and everything else is just drama.

    For that matter, you might want to protest against CEO who donate to vegan/peta. Or those who donate to children shelters. What if I feel offended by animal right activists or the fact people have offspring? What then? Should I start boycotting campaigns just because I don't like certain things, people, phenomena?

    If this new CEO has someone abused his Mozilla position to advance his own goals, and I think he did, by stating the company name on his donation, then bye bye. If not, everyone needs to shut up.

    All that said, political involvement for industry people should be BANNED by law. If you want to take a leadership position in a company, you ought to be obligated to sign a waiver disassociating yourself from any political movement or agenda. Too many people use their work positions as a jumpboard into politics later on.

    So if I were a Mozilla chairman of the board, I would look through the history of all my employees, rank CTO/CIO/CEO and such, find any that have been involved in politics since taking position in the company or at least last 15 years, and then gently send them home.

    So yes, first world problems.

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    Couldn't agree more. Companies should take no public position on these issues whatsoever.
     
  12. Gullible Jones

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    @Wroll: I think you're engaging in what's known as the fallacy of the golden mean.

    @Mrk: that would be a fantastic idea. And likewise for lobbying/campaign contributions. What passes for "politics as usual" in the US is too close to bribery IMO.

    Re the Mozilla kerfuffle, the allegation is that he made a $1000 donation to promote Proposition 8, in his name and Mozilla's (the latter being required by US law, due to his position). If that is in fact true, it makes me question whether he should be CEO. Relatively small donation (ha ha) but still unnecessary and unwanted political involvment.

    That said, other CEOs have done worse, gotten away with it, and sometimes gotten respect out of it. *cough* Steve Jobs *cough*
     
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    How ironic ... people who express their opinion are called intolerant by those demanding that people should be more tolerant.

    However vile, antisocial or even outright ignorant, your right to free speech should be guaranteed. The village idiot will expose himself as such. Let him stew in his own juices.

    The FF developers boycott of Mozilla is not a good strategy. This is the equivalent to a child holding his breath until he gets what he wants. To have just issued a strongly worded statement of disagreement would have sufficed. They could have highlighted their disapproval of the company's name being associated with the donation and followed that up with a donation to the opposition in their own names, not FF.
     
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    Firefox now my default browser.
     
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    It wasn't "in the name of Mozilla," the law required him to list the company he works for.
     
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    Then he should not have contributed.
    Or whoever brought the point should argue the law, not his money.
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    Everybody is entitled to their own opinions & beliefs, BUT when someone is using company $ that's a different matter.

    I agree, it should/must be outlawed :thumb:
     
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    Why would you say this? Gay rights are trampled in various countries, regardless of attributed rank.
     
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