FDISR + WinRollBack

Anybody using FDISR + WinRollBack together. This combination would appear to add the good bits from Rollback into First Defense without removing anything from FD?

Only a thought...

 

What is FD-ISR missing that you are getting from Winrollback?
If FD-ISR is rated 100, how would you rate the sum of FD-ISR and Winrollback?

 

Greetings starfish_001,

As a preliminary heads up, I believe I tested WinRollBack several years back and it did conflict with the ISR technologies. I am at currently out of the office, but can confirm this later for you. If this was not one of the tested applications, I can put it on my list to give it a whirl.

Btw: I was toying with having our Master Boot Record code moved to the Boot Record. This would *possibly* make it more compatible with boot managers, whole disk encryption routines, etc. The only drawback is that with Rollback products, if you decided to rollback you system, expecting to rollback your current snapshot, all your snapshots would be rolled back as well since they work at a sector level trapping Disk I/O. I can see this behavior being not expected and many users getting in trouble with this one. As I may feel this is potentially very *user* dangerous, what are folks thoughts on this?

 

Now THAT would make for an amazing improvement.
You got my vote!

I agree, snapshots, images, archives, rollbacks: they all look like having the same result, but their concept is totally different.
As user you need a very well developed understanding of this before you decide which combination could work for you.
Perhaps registry based rollbacks are more safe than sector based rollbacks.

 

Winrollback would allow snapshots to be managed within snapshots. Ie install and then disacard or update snapshot .... without reboot.

Nothing that cannot be worked around or with - FD achieves same just slower

 

Indeed - at this point I'm almost ready to bin my RB lics and change over all three systems to FD rather than just one.

Just kicking a ball around ........

 

'Nother interesting thread!

@starfish

HHMM?

@L-F mod

Please say BING !!

Could you look at #15 here: thats another interesting thread
https://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=132271

pfft who cares now?

YYEESS please

OK then...(despite all the promise, and it did look great, just hasn't happened for me with RB.)


Selah
Lbd.

 

I'm using this combination, see this post. and I have not noticed any problem. My system drive C: is frozen with Winrollback, and can be updated any time (and without rebooting, except for updates involving drivers) by unprotecting the system drive. Of course, Winrollback has to be de-activated before updating, deleting or archiving a FDISR snapshot, or before booting to another snapshot.

 

I respect what you have done and can sort of see why, but why this is a good option?

OOOPPS sorry just saw post from Peter.

 

You mean compared to freezing the snapshot with FDISR ? Mainly because:
1) WinRollBack does not require reserved space beforehand.
2) System can be thawed without rebooting.

 

OK
I can seethat.
I see the advantages of winrollback as stand alone utility.
I actually looked at it previously early last year, but got spooked by the thought of losing, by mistake, anything I had done in that boot cycle.
I thought your OP was about the two together.

I agree with your comments about the size of the snapshots and that was my great hope for HDS RollbackRX. Unfortunately that did not play nice with some of my older but still trusted utilities from Terabyte and appeared to have some stability problems although there is still alot of support for that option.

I would be leery of using the two apps:WRB and FD-isr together after the previous posts.
If it works for you then good.

I am hoping for either anticipated Terabyte update to include differential imaging or differential copy/cloning OR for Leapfrog to come up with the boot rescue disc which IMHO will then become a new gold standard for immediate restore and rescue options.

Regards
Lbd.

 

YES.

Can now reveal current master plan
I'll try and keep this clear

Dont laugh too loud please....

Since I got new external HD, BING/IFW/IFD and FDISR (and just checking Copy/Wipe to compare speed)

(way behind you guys but catching up slowly..)

I have taken that one step further (or back?) and been experimenting:

-Clean install of Winxp with security bits and pieces, with FDISR in one partition on ext HD.
Image/copy takes very litle time can update the XP or FDISR if needed.

-FDISR Archives on another partition on ext HD.
Refreshing archive daily or per session takes little time.

In event of calamitous internal HD loss/software catastrophe: can do full restore with loss of no more than 1 days work by moving clean XP and FDISR to internal HD or even replacing internal HD. (as long as I keep discipline; is there a command or option for archive refresh on close?)

For another fail safe I can keep full system image but it takes a little longer to image and is quite a big file.

Again, perhaps a little cumbersome and requires some partition work and FULL confidence in imaging, boot and partition manager apps:FDISR and Terabyte.

Obviously this has taken some time to set up

So far so good. Have restored system from external HD used archive and used boot manager to boot into "restored" system with no problem.

With BING from floppy (IE no MBR conflicts) I can have access to up to 8 HD and 4 primary partitions per HD. Plenty of spaces!!

The problem is the time issues (but if reliable, happy to sacrifice some time).
This is why I would like to see the boot disc from Leapfrog; would bypass some of the issues wrt time!!

Or hopefully the differential image solution mooted from Terabyte.

Another problem is my set-up is highly user dependant ie me.

Restoring to a different HD as primary will probably have activation issues etc, but this should not be too bad

On reflection I have probably managed to overcomplicate Peter's more elegant solution. thanks Peter for that. DOH

Clear as MUD!
Out of breath now and brain hurting again.
Any comments please..
LBD

 

LOL
Thanks

How about this from my rather dense post above?:

Lbd.

 

I did a quick google:
Here is some info about logoff scripts: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/gptext_logoffscripts.mspx?mfr=true
I imagine a script that launches c:\$ISR\$APP\isrcontrol.exe with the correct parameters?
(try 'c:\$ISR\$APP\isrcontrol.exe help' to get a list of options)

 

Wilbertnl
LOL

Thankyou.
The last program I wrote was in Fortran!
This may be difficult but think of me as kindie kid to your comments as college grad!!

I'll have a look but might need more clues.

Lbd.