Discussion in 'privacy general' started by CloneRanger, Feb 18, 2011.
Facebook and Google don't need to be fronts. It's quite out in the open that they collect massive amounts of data, and, in Google's case at least, store it for an unknown amount of time. That's hardly CIA-like, not to mention the CIA has information gathering abilities Google probably has wet dreams about. Facebook is only a threat because its users let them be. That's the problem with conspiracy theories, they end up covering the truth more than uncovering it. The CIA, NSA, FBI and so on, use Google and Facebook as tools, the same way we use VPNs, encryption software and the like. We use our tools to hide, they use their tools to spy.
"I admit I have Facebook. I am not particularly happy about it, but it does facilitate being connected with friends from other places."
Well, Mr Parwaga, I suggest:
A/ Leave Facebook & get a life.
B/ Go down your local pub & make some real (non-cyber) friends.
C/ Stop seeing conspiracies where there aren't any.
D/ Just get out more in general.
E/ Find a nice hobby.
OK ... I agree there may be conspiracies ... or is that what they want you to think? ...
I'm sure they love it, it keeps people occupied. Though, of course there are conspiracies. People are people, some love power and money, some are genuinely good. As I said though, the theories and whacked out articles have a habit of covering up things even more. The government doesn't HAVE to provide any theories. We keep ourselves blinded enough with CIA front talk, government-sanctioned super duper "100% undetectable" malware, all this other complete BS. Then of course, as shown quite well here, anybody digging around on military and other government computers are our friends, anyone who staunchly defends Wikileaks, Anon and everything they do, is good, because hey, if they're against the government, then they must be OK.
Yeah, but governments aren't helping themselves to improve public opinion these days either. Well, mine isn't, I can't really speak for yours. Here, most people were so fed up with a real lack of alternative we ended up with a hung Parliament. Perhaps the electorate should have voted on Facebook?
Governments never have been good at gaining and keeping a good public opinion I can speak for mine, we spent and still spend too much time dealing in matters that aren't ours to deal with, and not enough time in our own.
I didn't vote for what we ended up with. For us, it isn't so much a matter of having fingers in other people's pies, it's a matter of not having our own fingers in our own pies. The only pies governments seem to care about are *pork pies! LOL
*Pork pies = Lies
If Facebook were simply there for people without friends to pretend they have some, then the CIA wouldn't have any use for it because it wouldn't provide any useful information
It is true that there are many Facebook friendships built on nothing more than a casual click of the "Add as Friend" button. However, there are also plenty of "real-life" friend/family networks on Facebook that would be of value to a significant number of interested parties, despite what many of us believe
After looking at the "evidence" the article author provided to support his claims, and how badly he extrapolated to reach his conclusions, I think that's a tall ask. Unfortunately, there will always be conspiracy nuts who think intelligence agencies are behind everything. Wilders has its fair share
Oh Facebook is a treasure trove of valuable information..freely and willingly given up by its users. The CIA and others love the place, but that's a far cry from it being a front.
Wooooah, i wonder if i'm one of the few left without a FB account, not even a fake one, NONE!
No internet social media account actually
The only thing i have are forums (Wilders ) and my MSN IM (Which is my only must, i refuse to use FB LOL)
No conspiracy needed
This is real, no CIA needed, all private enterprise:
"the U.S. Chamber of Commerce wanted to know...
"He was hard to find on Facebook as he has taken some precautions to be found. He isn’t even linked with his wife but I found him. I also have a list of his friends and have defined an angle if I was to target him. He has attachment to UVA, a member of multiple associations dealing with IP, e-discovery, and nearly all of this facebook friends are of people from high school. So I would hit him from one of these three angles.
“They further suspect that most of the actions and coordination take place through online means — forums, blogs, message boards, social networking and other parts of the ‘deep web,’” a team member explained later. “But they want to marry those online, ‘cyber’ sources with traditional open source data-tax records, fundraising records, donation records, letters of incorporation, etc. I believe they want to trace all the way from board structure down to the individuals carrying out actions.”
More here, a little more subjective, plenty of references:
Corporations can be an extension of the intelligence communities, carrying out the agenda while providing distance, plausible deny ability, by having Vice Presidents, CEO's, and company personell as intelligence field agents or assets they can manage society through that companies influence radius.
Corporations are to the intelligence community like Amway is to the bargain shopper, a cooperative. The methods aren't inherently evil, just those directing the purpose.
Here is a joke, though I don't think it's funny, that highlights the idea of Mob Rule:
What's the difference between the CIA and the Mafia?
If I told you I'd have to kill you.
I think I'll keep my Facebook account.
Well, either way, there are a number of reasons that I have never had a Facebook account & none of them have anything to do with the CIA.
Nope you aren't alone. "Gee it makes keeping with family and friends easier" = lazy. Why do I worry about keeping up with someone if I am to lazy to pick up the phone and call them.
Oh, I don't text either.
No Facebook account here either.
Perhaps there are more of us than they are admitting to!!
You have a telephone?
No Facebook here, or Twitter or whatever else similar is out there.
I have a number of childhood friends, cousins, etc all on FB, and they have group chat type things, or however it works. I just won't be bothered.
There's a huge real world out there. The internet is nice for researching history and things, but to spend my life on it playing games or talking to people, no thanks.
Well if I was the head of the CIA, MI6, Mossad, etc ... I would make sure we had our fingers in the Facebook pie, because people seem to think they're safe posting their whole life story on it.
The easiest/detailed background checking facility known to man.
Oh certainly they make use of it, they'd be crazy not to. Even with the additional privacy controls, most users won't use them, they just continue posting where they're going, who they're meeting, what they'll do, you name it. You know, it's real easy to hate Zuckerburg, real easy to chastise intelligence agencies for pouring through user posts and collecting data. But when it boils right down to it, Zuckerberg didn't tell you to post what doctor you were heading off to go see, and what for. The CIA doesn't truly NEED Facebook to find you or find out what you're up to. But if you're going to post it, hell yes they'll use it.
Really, as in most cases of privacy issues, it's the users who are at fault the most.
The thing is . . . I would say i'm "Extremely Young" and don't have a FB which all my friends find weird
When FB started to gain popularity, i was around 16 everyone was "pimpin" the new tech while i was like Hmmmm, posting pictures and random things about me , forget it.
Now a few years later i still think the same ( Currently 18 )
Lots of friends and people find weird that i still haven't made a FB xD Hahahaha
Well, that's just young people for you, pretty normal. If you're not doing the "in thing", you're a weirdo/loser/lame, and so on. It's not the lack of good security practices that bother me about people. It's the lack of common sense, the lack of someone sitting down for 10 seconds and thinking "Hmm, does anyone REALLY need to know where I live? Do they REALLY need to know who my doctor is? Do they NEED to know about the fight Uncle Joe and Aunt Jenny had over this months bills?".
It's so weird, the vast majority of people wouldn't walk up to the bagger in their grocery lane and talk about it, yet sharing it online with thousands, not a problem, it's the "in thing". Anyway, back to the nonsense of the CIA and other 3 letter agencies using highly publicized, under the microscope, multi-national corporations as fronts.
Well, I don't know about the CIA & the rest of the alphabet groups, but here is a perfectly good reason not to join Facebook.
Separate names with a comma.