I'm a proud owner of F-secure 5.41 and The cleaner 3.5. My question is the following : I know F-sec uses the same engine as Kaspersky & F-prot and "orion" for heuristic Reading this forum you all seem to agree that Kaspersky gives strong protection against trojans...Does F-secure offers ther same level or is it less ? If it is the same level (strong) do i realy need The Cleaner 3.5 ? Or is this overkill and only memory consumption ? I also run ZA 4 pro and Ad-aware,spybot,Spywareblaster, spywareguard, script defender, registery prot (diamonds). I also have restricted browser settings.